Erik on the Justice and Penal System, Part One

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Enjoy this post about our justice and penal system, transcription courtesy of Beth George. Thanks Beth!! As always, the YouTube version follows. I understand not everyone is a big reader.

Kim: Hey!

Elisa: Hey there!

Kim: That’s a little bit better.

Elisa: It’s still pretty blurry. I don’t know why. Oh, now it cleared up all of a sudden.

Kim: Ok, good.

Elisa: Hello, Erik! I love you. Kimberly, what’s up since the last time talked, like one minute ago?

Erik: I love you mom.

Kim: Yeah, like 30 seconds ago.

Elisa: Today we are going to talk about something a blog member in particular; a blog member from Spain has really been interested in. And that’s our justice system. Actually, our jail system. You want to talk about that, Erik? Shall we?

Erik: Why not!

Elisa: Ok, I’m going to read some of his questions. In theory, the world is a safer place because most criminals are put in jail. I personally contend that in some cases, they simply lock people up and throw away the key. Never the less, I also believe that everyone deserves a second chance, and a third and as many chances as they can get to become a better citizen. Unfortunately, the jail system does not help to put this into practice. Erik, what ideally, should be done with these human beings that make wrong decisions instead of locking them up?

Kim: (laughs) He’s a smart ass, and you guys know that!

Erik: First of all, who said there is a wrong or a right?

Elisa: That’s true.

Erik: So you can X that out. Of course, we’ll go through that real quick. There is no wrong or right. As bad as it can be, it’s not wrong. As holy and good as it can be, it’s not right. It is what it is, and everything is as it’s supposed to be. So, you know that thing that you said about “lock them up and throw away the key”? When you say you believe (addressing the person that submitted the questions), that you believe they should get a second or a third chance – but I ask you this: without looking at the situation, do you believe that everything that is happening is supposed to be happening in that way? Like everything that is happening is meant to be that way. It can’t – everything that unfolds, everything that manifests, every breath that is ever given is as it’s supposed to be. There is no such thing and it cannot ever be outside of that. Everything that happened is a direct manifestation of energy. So, people that get in trouble and get locked up, it is their mission, it is a part of their process. This whole thing we call life is a process.

Elisa: Yeah, they are just experiences meant to push us forward. Those are your own words, Erik.

Erik: Right, so look at the bigger picture and just because there are criminals doesn’t mean that they’re bad people. It’s a judgment. You’re not there to judge. You’re there to be – and that’s it. It’s hard because we have these things called emotions and we generally choose to know ourselves and express our self, through those things called emotions, but if we can stay clear of them, we can see it for what it’s supposed to be. We can see it for what it is. Everything that is happening and unfolding is happening how it should. There is no such thing as something happening that wasn’t supposed to. If it wasn’t supposed to, it wouldn’t have manifested. It wouldn’t be a possibility in the realm of physics and quantum physics. It wouldn’t – you know, we look at ratios and what’s the word I’m looking for, not possibilities….

Elisa: Probabilities?

Erik: Yes, thank you. Probabilities. Yeah, so we’re looking at energy and how it unfolds and manifests and if it wasn’t… basically like if it is a probable cause, it’s gonna happen. If it has a lot of energy behind it, or umph behind it, it’s gonna happen. Weather it came from a thought, or an action, or a past life pattern…

Elisa: Ok, let’s get to the root of the question, what do you do about it? So, what should have been done to the guy who got drunk and shot your girlfriend, Ali, in the back of the head… thinking it was unloaded? Thinking that the gun was still unloaded. Tell Ali I said hi, by the way.

Kim: He’s just tapping on his heart like, I love you. Thank you.

Erik: When people do heinous, awful crimes and things like that and we want to put all of these judgments and labels on, it is seen for us – we have all of these tools set in place that guide the way we operate and function because we are so absent minded.

Kim: When he says absent minded, he’s talking about we’re not present. We’re not mindful.

Elisa: We’re not in the now, right.

Erik: So, we have to have these tools and these systems and rules and all that stuff in place to keep us somewhat moving forward. Otherwise, it’s just like we would fall asleep and become stagnant and implode. So even with the worst of the worst crimes you could possibly conjure up in your head, those people too, we can’t even say what should happen to those people. Because it’s none of our business. In the grand scheme of things, it’s none of our business what should happen to them. Of course, we want to say “it’s my family member, yeah it’s my business!” But ultimately, remember, if you can go back to the God source in you, then you’ll realize that everybody is here for a purpose. There is purpose and value in everything. Usually, mom, the most awful, catastrophic situations show us – directly show us – God’s strength and resilience. Through the way humans behave to each other, the way they band together to help each other pull forward, it’s like when someone loses a loved one, we have these calling hours, right? And then the place is flooded with people to come out and show love and support. So, there is – for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. There’s a balance.

Kim: He doesn’t really like the word balance because there are a lot of illusions in that. He’s trying to show how everything that happens, there is a reaction and there is good in everything. It’s up to you.

Elisa: Ok, I wanted to try to keep the answers kind of short because he has a lot of questions. Erik, get to the point! Just kidding. So, this guy should have just been let go and done community service? He shouldn’t have been locked up?

Erik: That’s not what I’m saying. Again, we have these systems in place on this earth and in this realm to keep us functioning in an order that we believe to be best for ourselves. So, you know subject him to his rules and push him through those systems that are in place, but we have to remember, we’re not the ones that make that judgment ultimately. So, it’s a fine line, it’s a real subtle difference.

Elisa: I can imagine. What about people like sex offenders and serial killers – people who have no – or criminals that have no intention of bettering themselves. What do we do about them?

Kim: (Laughs) you wanted a short answer!

Erik: Pray for them.

Elisa: But what do you do for them as far as the justice system is concerned and the jail system is concerned?

Kim: (Laughs) He’s such a smart ass.

Elisa: I know. I mean in a lot of cases, these could be classified as psychiatric cases, this gentlemen said, which is not done as often as it should. In some cases these people can’t help themselves, sometimes they are glad they are caught. Sometimes these individuals seem to have no cure and the system does not always handle these cases as they should.

Erik: Most of the time, if you don’t know, if you don’t have the capacity to see yourself in something else, you either throw your hands up and walk away and let it fall silent. So basically, if we’re looking at the case where someone really needs psychiatric help, but they kind of just get dismissed and thrown back out on the streets – most of the time it’s just a failure of the system. Because that person, the judge, is an emotional being. They might get emotional in the sense that “this shit freaks me out, I don’t know how to deal with it… You’re fine. Go and do this community service” or whatever. So they don’t want to engage, they don’t want to get involved because they are afraid.

Elisa: Or they lock them up without trying to rehabilitate them.

Erik: Right. And that is, once again, a play on the emotions. They are emotional beings so we can’t even expect perfection from those people that are putting them in required places, like a judge, because they cannot help but to have an emotion connected to it. So, like, someone come in and they are pressing charges against someone that murdered their loved one. Of course they’re going to resort to their emotions and get angry and frustrated and think, “This isn’t right! I’m going to throw the book at him, I’m going to give him the worst they could possibly do!” So, again – and even if we’re looking at a jury that is helping – they are all emotional beings. So that skews the picture, mom. So, that’s why people who need psychiatric help – I can tell you right now without a shadow of a doubt, there is nothing on this earth in place right now that is effective at capturing the essence of what these people are going through.

Kim: He keeps calling it a big scientific breakthrough, but he’s questioning his use of the word scientific, but they haven’t got there yet. This is something that they’ve kind of like, skirted around, but they are taking all the wrong approaches.

Elisa: What should be done about drug offenses, not drug smugglers or drug dealers, but people caught with cocaine or marijuana, you know. I think that is such a huge burden on the prison system, the justice system that they probably ought not to be jailed, but just undergo rehab. What do you think?

Erik: It’s relative. Sometimes jail is better so they don’t have access to stuff.

Elisa: Oh, ok.

Erik: And then rehab if the person is energetically in the place where rehab would work. If they’re not, rehab will fail them too. It won’t work. You have to look at the mechanisms of control and addiction and that’s where they need fulfillment. They are lacking something so that’s when they lash out in these ways. So they need fulfillment.

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As promised, here’s the video version of today’s post!

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  • Elisa

    This is a little uncanny since I came to CE to partly post an awesome youtube clip on prisoners bonding with a bunch of stray cats and the positive effect on them (lowered violence levels) and saw this thread.
    Might post the clip here …one man said that many of the prisoners never had anyone to love them and their pets give them this.
    It’s a pretty touching clip :

  • Elisa

    Hi Elisa,
    This is a little off topic, but I was wondering if Erik could do a segment on bullying, and especially kids being bullied by other kids in schools, even to the point where they are actively pushing them to suicide, but also in the wider adult world as well. How this should be tackled and what is wrong with our society that this stuff happens. What makes people think that they have a right to break another person down to such a degree, and what a person -perhaps especially a young person- should do when they are on the receiving end of this. In particular, people on the receiving end, especially if younger, I think could really benefit from being given a message as to how to view what they are being subjected to and how to feel about who they are whilst they are on the receiving end of such extreme negativity. And also if Erik could give insight into what the bully is really all about. I saw a video on it recently which was quite sad and a complete tragedy that this sort of thing happens, and felt it was a really important issue. I think it is a true waste when a young person listens to these bull shit messages given to them by other young people who frankly don’t know shit (excuse the language, but it needed to be said).

  • Alphonso de Barbo

    This article reminds me of the little ‘conversations’ I have with Erik. When he says, quote, #Erik: Pray for them…
    There is an individual, Luke, I work closely with at my place of employment… Making a ‘judgement’, he is very narcissistic and a general pain in the arse! In my prayers one night, I asked Erik if he could have a word with Luke’s higher self and tell him to cool it; his self centered behaviour was making life difficult for him as well as, it was getting to me, and I was exhausted dealing with it.
    The next day, I came to work and when Luke walked in I knew there was a change. He looked very thoughtful and was much quieter. I asked him what was up and if he would like to talk about it. He declined, but our day and the days following have seen a total change in his behaviour. All those good qualities he had lurking behind what I call the ‘narcissistic bravado’ have come to the fore… at last!

    Anyway, I choose to think that what Erik advised, #Erik: Pray for them… worked in this case… Erik and I are going to be having a lot more ‘conversations’ now and in the future… it works!

    • That’s an incredible story! Would you mind copying and pasting it into the Erik Encounter page? You just have to click on the “Share Your Story” button toward the bottom of the righthand sidebar of the homepage. 🙂 Thanks for sharing!

      • Alphonso de Barbo

        Hi, Elisa,
        It is a pleasure!
        …I think I put this in the section you asked, but I’m not sure…

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