I know; I know. We’ve covered this topic in the past, but it seems like so many of you are just certain the Illuminati is a nefarious group bent on world domination and that many leaders around the world in the banking industry, Hollywood, the music industry and governments are involved. So, I decided to ask Erik to discuss the topic one more time. 

Me: Hey Jamie and Erik! How are y’all?

Jamie: Hi! Doing good over here. How are you?

Me: Good. Erik, what’s up, dude?

Erik: The sky is up and so is your audio.

Me: My audio is too high up?

Jamie: It’s just squealing.

Me: Oh, I don’t know. I don’t know what else I can do about that. I don’t hear any squealing.

Erik: Okay, let’s go then!

Me: Let’s go! Okay, so many people want to know about these controversial things. Like a lot of them ask about the Illuminati. Can you illuminate something about the subject?

Erik: That’s like looking into the belly of the Catholics. Illuminati are—

(Pause)

Jamie: That’s a lot of pictures in my head. Elisa always tells Erik, “It’s not a picture book!”

Me: I know! Come on, dude!

Jamie: It’s one of my favorite things you say. He’s showing me that the Illuminati have a specific kind of belief system.

Erik: It’s not really based on all the scientific evidence that they’re trying to show the public eye. It really is relying on you to swallow, hook, line and sinker, all the details they present to be a part. They, meaning other spirits and entities in the afterlife, consider the Illuminati to be part of a balancing system on Earth where it’s anchoring or outweighing a lot of what the religious beliefs are trying to put out there.

Me: What do you mean?

(Long pause)

Jamie: He’s talking about the fact that in religious beliefs it’s required to have a lot of faith in one, let’s say, mystical item because a lot of times faith won’t give you the details. You can’t touch it or see it, but you’re expected to change your life based on it.

Me: Yeah.

Erik: The Illuminati shows up and says, “Oh, come on now. This is real, and that is not real. This is why this is real and why it’s happening.” So I want to be clear. This is not a debunking system. It’s not to shred religious beliefs, but it’s to anchor them in something that’s more tangible.

Me: I remember one time you told us they’re here to protect us from ourselves, that if we were at our full potential, it would be just too much.

Erik: Yes.

Me: In what way?

Jamie: He’s showing me a picture of it being linear. So we’re going back to—(she laughs) give me a year, Erik! Like medieval times or something?

(Pause)

Jamie: We’re going way back where this was taking place—when people were discovering that their natural abilities were more than just the five senses.

Erik: And if the religious structure or church were to be destroyed then, a lot of chaos would be born from it. So it was a little bit of grounding, protection and teaching.

Me: Okay.

Jamie: He’s using—I guess this is a metaphor—like if you have a baby, and you raise the baby to believe that the color white is actually the color red. You actually base that on a lot of rules that you created or expectation of behaviors that you created. Then one day, at the age of 18, that child is told, “That’s false. That color is not red. It’s really white.”

Erik: The devastation that it creates to the psyche being flipped over like a pancake so hard like that is really what the culture was doing to the people. They kept us suppressed and trapped, not sharing information. The Illuminati didn’t want that information to completely go away, so it started to collect it, to pass it on, to keep it. It never meant to debunk [beliefs]. It was meant to show the truth of things.

Me: Okay, so they’re the keepers of the truth?

Erik: Yes, but Mom, the thing that’s so fucked up is that even though they’re designed to be keepers of the truth, not everything they have is what we, up here, consider the truth.

Me: All right. They’re humans. What can you do?

Erik: Damn humans.

Me: But they’re not nefarious, right? They’re not bad, or are they?

Erik: In general, no, but there is a—

Jamie: I don’t know what you mean. (Pause) Like an order? A branch?

Erik: A selection of them, an order of them, a branch of them is not doing the work in a good way.

Me: Oh!

Erik: So yes, that section would be what you would want to judge as not serving the whole good but creating more disconnect than being helpful.

Me: Well there are conspiracy theories about how they’re trying to accomplish the New World Order, you know, for the control of the world.

Erik: I think that’s always been part of their plan.

Me: Oh, really? A huge part of their plan?

Erik: Good luck!

Jamie laughs.

Me: Yeah, really.

Erik: I don’t see it happening.

Me: You don’t see that happening, but they are out for the New World Order, then—or at least some of them?

Erik: They are, yes, at least some of them. They do want to come out and show the truth that they’ve been carrying for long—or what their belief system is. Really, the ultimate placement for all of us would be that nobody teaches us what to believe. We innately believe in what we experience. That would be the better, overall worldly growth of humanity.

Me: Yeah.

Erik: But that shit’s not going to happen because we have people who are born, Mom, who just want to be leaders.

Jamie (laughing): He’s pointing to himself.

Me: Kudos to you! Why is there this connection with high government officials being part of the Illuminati and people in Hollywood, celebrities? What’s up with that?

Erik: No offense, but fuck the celebrities! They’re just the same as anybody else! It’s just that they’re in the public eye with marketing and more finances. We can find [the Illuminati] in other cultures, among public officials, in other places with popular personalities and in different careers. We don’t need to just keep it to the celebrities.

Me: So there’s not this thing between Hollywood and the Illuminati?

Erik: No. If I were finding a “thing,” I’d find a thing between money and the Illuminati.

Me: Like the banking system.

Erik: Yeah.

Me: Ah! Why is it that the Illuminati symbol of the pyramid with the eye on top is on the dollar bill? What’s that all about?

Erik: The third eye?

Me: I guess. Is that what it is?

Erik: Yes, the insight, the connection to the soul, the eye that watches all, the knowing. It’s really there as a check and balance to let them know that they were going in on their own. Honestly, I think if we were to look at any system, even if we think it’s unbreakable, there is something behind the scenes keeping it in balance. Behind every great man is—

Me: A great woman!

Erik: Thank you!

Me: Hell yeah!

Jamie laughs.

Me: That’s true and probably vice versa for you guys out there. So the Illuminati designed that part of the dollar bill or had an influence on it?

Erik: Yeah.

Me: That’s interesting! What about Tupac. I heard that he was killed by the Illuminati.

Erik: No.

Me: Okay. Who was he killed by?

Erik: Another dude.

Jamie laughs. She seems uncomfortable with whatever information Erik gave her.

Me: Was it a real big dude?

I clearly have an idea. Biggie Big.

Erik: It was a very big dude with dark skin.

Me: Okay. I know who it is, then. The key word is, “BIG.”

Jamie; Oh! Yes, that is the key word!

Me: That’s it. We interviewed him. He’s dead. That’s right. You guys check it out on the blog. Anything else about the Illuminati?

Erik: I definitely wouldn’t be afraid.

Me: Okay. So they mean well, most of them?

Erik: Most of them, yes, they mean well. They truly believe what they’re carrying on is something of great value to humanity.

Me: Okay. There are no aliens involved, are there?

Erik: Don’t you know by now that aliens, multidimensional beings are involved in everything?

Me: Well, I guess I do now, don’t I?

Erik: But not in the way where they came down and said, “Here’s the real information, man.” It’s not like that.

Jamie and I laugh.

Erik: There is a connection, but it’s not a governing connection.

Me: Okay. So they’re involved in some way with the Illuminati.

Erik: Yeah, side by side but not running it.

Me: Do the Illuminati members know that there are aliens in their midst?

Erik: No, it’s mostly human beings.

Me: Oh, okay. All right.

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Here’s another sweet review for Erik’s book!

This Book is a Life changer and a life saver! It is absolutely wonderful! Erik is a charming, loveable spirit who is wise beyond the earthly years he had. Thank you Erik for confirming what I have always known to be true. Thank you Elisa for sharing your wonderful son with the world and thank you Jamie for being his voice!

–Melissa McVicker

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