In a few hours, my daughter, Annika, will get her college ring, a big, big thing at Texas A & M. Alumni go to their graves wearing that ring. So apparently it’s a very crowded experience steeped in a lot of tradition and hopefully not too much chaos. 

Last night’s radio show was great. One caller called in to discuss her illness, and Erik said it was because she has a deep-seated lack of self-acceptance. Eventually, she shared that she suffered from metastatic breast cancer. After the show, I recalled that Erik once told me that most cancers involve some degree of self-loathing or at least a lack of self-acceptance, so this all made sense. I’d like all of you to send her prayers, love and healing energy. 

If you want to listen to the show, click on the Live Paranormal link HERE or go to Spreaker. You can follow me on Spreaker to get all of the archived shows automatically. Just search for my name. Or you can subscribe to the podcast on iTunes. Just search for “Channeling Erik” or “Hour of Enlightenment.”

Enjoy the last installment of Erik’s insight on fear. I included the tail end of the last post to help orient you.

Me: A lot of people go into the fear mode because they don’t want to accept what’s happening. You know how a lot of fear is also created?

Jamie backs away.

Jamie: You don’t have to get so close.

Erik: A lot of fear is based on when people don’t want something to happen like it would scare them if they lost all their money. “Oh my god. If I lost all my money, I don’t even know who I’d be. Oh, what if I lose my job? I don’t want to lose my job.” And then guess what happens?

Me: They lose their job.

Erik: Yeah, they fucking lose their job!

Me: What, it’s the Law of Attraction thing? You put it out into the universe and it comes back to you?

Erik: Yes. You put so much focus on it that it happens.

Me: Yeah, that happened to one of my nurses. Even when I was little when she worked for my parents she always talked about how she was afraid that she was going to get colon cancer and had them check her all the time since she was in her 20s, and guess what she died from? Colon cancer. So it does happen.

Jamie: That’s amazing.

Erik: Yeah, it’s messed up because if you know this, like we’re telling you it happens this way. It’s easy to manipulate and move and change energy. You’re having a thought now about what you’re watching, right? You’re having thoughts just bounce in your head. How easy it is to have those thoughts! So fucking easy, right? Well, it’s just as easy to think about the same thing every day, so you’re going to build it and have it happen to yourself. So wouldn’t you want to ask yourself, “Hey, is this even reasonable to be afraid of? Is there any validity to it? Am I in control of it? What’s my responsibility for it? What kind of steps or process can I put around this to help me emotionally connect to it better? It’s really nice when you die—

Jamie laughs.

Erik: –because you don’t get caught up in all the fear.

Me: Must be nice.

Erik: I also think it’s pretty fucked up when –

Jamie: That’s his word today! Phew! He did without it for a while.

Me: Yeah, but then he goes back to it.

Jamie: He’s really passionate about this.

Erik: When we watch people on Earth, we’ll watch the ones who are completely in love; everything is going great; they’re laughing; all their needs are fulfilled. Are they fucking motivated? Most of them, no, because they have what they need. They’re chilling. They’re kind of flat lining, but then we watch the ones that have fear, they’re afraid of something. Are they motivated? Most of them, yes.

Me: Some of them are paralyzed.

Erik: Some of them are totally fucking paralyzed. They’re stuck in concrete. “Oh, what to do!” They play the victim. They stay in fear, and they build their life on it. Of course if you build your life on it, whatever platform is going to stay. It’s not going to move off of it.

Me: So I guess what you’re saying is the larger, impractical concept is to remember that we are all part of All That Is. The fact that we are all eternal beings does help mitigate fear if you hold that as your truth. Then the fact that there is no right and wrong and that whatever happens, it’s a lesson or an experience we’re meant to have. But then there’s the practical thing of asking yourself questions, finding some way to manage it or get control, asking what you’re responsible for—in other words, don’t let whatever you’re afraid of control you. Instead, you find a way to have your own control over the situation. Is that what you’re pretty much saying?

Erik: Ding! You got it.

Me: Okay. Anything else? We’ve talked about social anxiety. That’s another type of fear so if you guys want to see that, it’s somewhere on the YouTube channel. So what if you’re afraid because your kid goes to school and there could be a terrorist attack there? Let’s just give one more example.

Erik: So, are you in control over that?

Me: No.

Erik: No. Do you know all the rules, regulations and boundaries that the school has in place in case that were to happen? Probably not. So the first thing I would say is march your ass down to the school, set up a meeting with the president—

Jamie (laughing): The president? The principal!

Erik: And ask the principal, “What’s in place? Who can just walk on campus? Are you going to change those rules? Can I vote for you to change those rules? Can we have a meeting with the teachers so that they’re all informed?” And you can set up slight risk management answers so that everybody is on board and everybody knows what to do. That right there might calm your fear. It might take it away completely, but if you’re still obsessing over it, I’d like you to look at what’s the real cause of you thinking your child is going to be in that kind of danger. Is it that you really don’t like the school, and you want your child moved, and you’re looking for an excuse? You know, people use fucked up thoughts like that all the time to motivate a change. They believe it’s real, and they go, “Well we have to go to another place now because of this” when really you wanted it all along. Is it that when you had the baby, he was really sick when he was little and he almost died, so he’s going to “almost die” in any given situation? Maybe it’s not about the terrorist thing at all. Maybe the school is going to catch on fire and they don’t have the appropriate windows in the classroom for him to get out. Then you would look at your child and say, “How do you leave in a fire? What do you do if this happens? What do you do if that happens?” Empower them with the information on how to maintain their own safety.

Me: Okay. Now, one more thing about fear before we close. We talked about phobias, and there’s a story for each one: the fear of balloons, clowns, heights, spiders, me, roaches. Ugh.

Jamie: Ugh.

Me: Yuck.

Erik: I think phobia stories are the best. We should do a collection of them.

Me: I know! Do you think that most of them are related to other lives?

Erik: Yeah.

Me: Like the fear of drowning and things like that?

Erik: Oh, absolutely because with phobias, you can’t find any rooted cause for the fear in this life, and that’s why they call them phobias. It’s like there’s no purpose for the fear. Maybe—

Jamie: God!

Erik: Maybe you were dipped in sugar and buried alive, and the roaches just licked all the sugar off you.

Me: Ew! It’s just gross, man. No, seriously. Why do I not like roaches?

Jamie: He’s showing me another lifetime that doesn’t even have to do with roaches. You were so young that you thought it was the roach that killed. There was disease when the rats came and everything, but there were roaches there, and everybody was saying that when the roaches show up at your house, that means death. Totally mislabeled.

Me: Oh, I see.

Erik: You carried it straight through. It actually meant death to you. Disease, awful stuff.

Me: They’re disgusting. What about you, Erik? You were always afraid of heights. Why?

Jamie listens, then laughs.

Jamie: He shuddered!

Me: I guess you’re not anymore.

Jamie: I was just saying, ‘Look how high you are now,’ and he goes, “Oh yeah, cuz Heaven is up in the clouds, and I’m playing my harp.”

Erik: No, when I think about it in the human sense, I’m not comfortable at all. I don’t like the balconies, looking over the rails, looking out the windows, oh my god, standing up on the building with the clear floors.

Me: Oh, that would be not good! The one at the Grand Canyon?

Erik: No, no, no, no, no.

Jamie laughed. He was saying no to heights not to whether the clear floor place he’s talking about is at the Grand Canyon.

Me: So was there something in another life that happened to you?

Erik: Yes.

(Long pause)

Me: What was it?

Jamie: Tell me the name of that. It’s not an airplane. Hydroplane? Hydroglide?

Me: A dirigible like those things filled with helium or whatever?

Jamie: No, it’s so, so old. It’s made wood. There’s no helium in it. It definitely involves gliding.

Me: Is it for a single person?

Jamie: Mm hm. Just one person’s in it.

Me: Is it a hang glider?

I feel like I’m playing twenty questions.

Jamie: Yeah, like a hang glider.

Me: Or is it one of those that have seats in it?

Jamie: No.

Me: All right, so something like that. No engine?

Jamie: No engine. No engine. It’s super old like canvas-y and wood.

Me: Okay. When was this?

Jamie: He was a man. A skinny man. (To Erik) Where were you? (Pause) Italy and France. Over in Europe. It was the Age of Inventions.

Me: Oh, what’s that, the 1900s?

Jamie: Probably earlier. Probably the 1800s.

Me: Okay, so what happened to you? Did you die?

Erik: Yeah. I fell off of it.

Me: How high up were you?

Jamie: Oh, we’re looking over a cliff. It reminds me of the cliffs in South America in Brazil. They have these huge waterfalls and drop-offs. It’s really green, no houses. He was testing something. It was supposed to be fantastic.

Erik: Not fantastic. Didn’t work.

Me: Yeah. Oh well. But look at that. You’re an eternal being; you’re still here.

Erik: Made it!

Me: Made it!

Erik: You know, no matter how many ways I die, I continue to make it, don’t I?

Me: Yeah, and that’s true of all of us. Maybe that will help. Remembering that will help assuage your fears, people. We always make it out alive.

Erik: We always make it out alive.

Me: Throughout eternity. Anything else, Erik?

Erik (pointing to various places): I love you; I love you; I love you; I love you; I love you—

He goes on, pointing to me and the entire YouTube audience.

Jamie: He’s saying to everybody who’s watching.

Me: We love you, too!

Erik: I’ll haunt your ass later.

Me: Yes. Mine, too, please.

Jamie laughs and gives a short salute.

Me: Bye!

For you Spanish-speaking CE peeps, Jamie Butler’s interview on Wisdom from North with host, Jannecke Øinæs has been translated. Check out Part One and Part Two.