Me: How can we differentiate from what’s real and what’s not? How is it possible to create illusions that hurt us so much?

Erik: Belief and perception. Next.

Me: Yeah, I guess we’ve already been there, done that. Okay, since most of the polanet is moving into the 4^th or 5^th dimension, into which dimension do people now reincarnate? Take, for example, James Dean or Jim Morrison or anyone who did not make the 4^th dimension while they were here. Are they in the 4^th dimension while they’re there? How does that work?

Erik: (Buzzer sound) Stop right there. 4^th, 5^th, 6^th, 7^th, 8^th, 9^th, whatever, all these dimensions have already existed. We’re not moving into it. The Earth is not moving into it. The Earth has been amazing at incorporating all these dimensions around her. The vibrational shift that I think this person is talking about—

Me: Mm hm.

Erik: Vibration is different than dimension. So let’s get an image in our head.

Jamie: He’s showing me a lined piece of paper. You start at the bottom and with your pencil you make these little stairs up the lines so you’re connecting all the lines. Then you pretend you can walk on the stairs. (She makes the sound of a musical scale: Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum?

Erik: All the lines are the dimensions. The blue lines on the paper are the dimensions and the pencil stairs are the vibrations.

Me: Oh, okay.

Erik: I can definitely see where, because of how we’ve been taught on Earth, that you need stairs to climb higher or, you know, to get into a different level, plane, story of the building. All the dimensions exist already just like the piece of paper is unchanging. The fine tuned vibrations are what’s shifting on Earth. We, as human beings, are gaining more access to the vibrational energy on Earth. So it’s allowing the human being to broaden their perceptions of other dimensions. So it’s not that James Dean or Jim Morrison couldn’t access the 4^th, 5^th, whatever dimensions. They could! I can tell you right now that Jim Morrison did—

Jamie laughs.

Jamie: Oh goodness. You might want to edit this out. Whatever you want.

Me: Uh oh.

Erik: Jim Morrison exceeded the 4^th, 5^th, 6^th dimensions and probably more dimensions that other people because of his exploration and journey with drugs.

Me: Oh yeah. I believe it. So is that how we can reach other dimensions, by doing drugs?

(Pause)

Erik: Don’t fucking get in trouble, Mom.

Me: No, I’m not.

Erik: Yeah. Psychedelics, they help eliminate the boundaries that a person has set up in their own mind. They’re possibilities. By taking the psychedelic drugs, it removes the amount of the structure and allows them to experience, not just see, but experience beyond what their bucket of knowledge would provide. What you can bring back from that experience is so profound and so deep. I’m a true fucking believer!

Jamie: He got really rowdy right there.

Erik: Psychotherapists need to have the right to use these psychedelic drugs to help their clientele, give them this out of body experience to show them where they really are in life.

Me: It just widens your perception when you get out of the body?

Erik: Yeah! It’ll definitely show them that there are other dimensions available.

Me: Yeah.

Erik: There’s more to that question, but I can’t remember it.

Me: No, I think that’s good enough.