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Elisa: Hi, Denise.

Denise: Hi.

Elisa: Miss you, it’s been so long!

Denise: I know, I know, and you’re getting ready to go on vacation.

Elisa: I know, back to back, man, but you know, my husband has a 40-year school reunion he doesn’t want to miss, so . . .

Denise: How fun.

Elisa: That’s going to be fun for him, but I am not invited, apparently, so there must be a lot of rabble-rousing that’s going to go on. So, hi, Erik, I love you.

Denise: He says, “Hi Mama.” He says, he, of course, he says he loves you. He has on a blazer today. That’s so funny.

Elisa: Oh!

Denise: A tee shirt and a blazer.

Elisa: Oh, wow. I bet you look so handsome in that.

Denise: He’s blushing. He goes, “Oh, Mama,” but yeah, he has on like a navy-blue blazer.

Elisa: Nice.

Denise: Yeah, that’s a . . .

Elisa: A Pappa suit. He would call them papa suits. He loved to wear Pappa suits.

Denise: Yeah, Pappa suit. Well, that’s what he’s wearing today. I don’t know why he’s dressed up, but he’s, and he’s casually dressed up.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: Yeah.

Elisa: All right, quick question before we start. We’re going to interview, maybe even, the Anunnaki, which I know nothing about, but I am thinking of a new invention, and you know what it is—I can’t say it out loud. Is that going to be a success?

Denise: He says, yes, but please keep it under wraps.

Elisa: Oh yeah.

Denise: He’s saying’ like, keep your mouth closed about it. Don’t, don’t . . .

Elisa: No blabbers.

Denise: Yes.

Elisa: Okay, well, I’ll ask more at another time. But anyway, Anunnaki, can you bring in, you know, one or two or the, a spokesperson for the Anunnaki?

Denise: Um, Erik, he’s going’ yes, and I guess this is why he got, put his suit on for this.

Elisa: Oh! They like formalities, huh?

Denise: I guess. He’s bringing in a very strong masculine-energy-type person. Very, he seems really tall . . .

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: To me. So, I don’t know, I don’t even know what these people are or…

Elisa: I know, I’ve just heard the name. I have no idea but people . . .

Denise: I don’t either.

Elisa: But people keep bringing it up, and I kept not paying attention, but, bad me.

Denise: I, I don’t know either.

Elisa: Well, okay, let’s ask. Do you go by a certain name? Would you like us to address you in a certain way?

Denise: You know, he, he does have something, but I’m, um, I’m not able to make it out, but I feel like he’s like a, like a chief or something’, like the . . .

Elisa: But do you have a name that we can call you?

Denise: The head-honcho type. I’m not getting a name, and I’m not good at names to begin with but I’m not . . .

Elisa: Oh, it’s so, it’s so hard. Well, Erik, what should we call him? I know one of em’s name is Enlil, and you know, I don’t know, but.

Denise: I don’t know. Erik says that we can call him “the Boss,” is what Erik says.

Elisa: Okay, we’ll call him “the Boss.” Sorry, Springsteen, but that’s it.

Denise: He says you can call him “the Boss,” because I was, like, maybe “chief,” and he goes, “the Boss.”

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: That is what Erik tells me.

Elisa: So, Boss man, who are you? Tell us about yourself. [joking] Tell us about your mutha. Not really. Are you a spirit? Are you a deity? Are you some sort of life form, an alien from another planet? Just, whatever.

Denise: He’s telling me, and I feel like he speaks for all of them, so, there must be a whole breed of them, like a, when I say “breed,” like a breed of humans or a breed of . . .

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: A type of dogs, but there’s a bunch of them. Um, he says that, he makes me feel like they come from another, they are from another planet, and when he says another planet, Erik is telling me it’s like they originated from another planet.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: So they have, Erik is saying it’s kind of like you have somebody who’s—and Erik’s sweet—somebody that’s Norwegian and then they marry somebody who isn’t, and so it’s mixed, and Erik is telling me, like, this is what this person, um, this . . . Uh, when I say person, not actually like it’s a person, per se, but that the Boss is like, he’s a mixture of something.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: So, he’s not just, or the community is not just one type, but they originated from another planet, and Erik says, “Yes, that’s accurate, they originated from another planet.”

Elisa: Ah, so it’s an alien. Is the planet Nibiru, like some people say?

Denise: He says where people think it’s from, he said yes. I don’t know that, I feel like, I don’t know that that’s the name that he would give it, that planet.

Elisa: Oh, but we call it that, but . . .

Denise: Yes, yes.

Elisa: It must be that planet that he calls by a different name?

Denise: Um, I don’t know that they call it a name, though.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: The way he’s . . . I don’t, I’ll have to check with him as we’re going, but he’s saying yes, that that place where you were talking about, what is it called? Nu, nu what?

Elisa: Nibiru.

Denise: Nibiru. He said, yes, that that is the planet. And I don’t know why, but I feel like that name, the type of origin of that name has something to do with one of the countries here in this world.

Elisa: Oh, interesting. Well, let’s talk about our country. Did you guys really come in ancient times, like the aliens that came to, like, Egypt or . . .

Denise: He’s, he’s saying yes. And I feel like he’s a collective consciousness of that.

Elisa: Oh, that’s why you couldn’t get a name, must be [inaduible].

Denise: That, that’s what I feel like is a collective consciousness of that, but it’s in a masculine form. Yes, yeah.

Elisa: Okay. So, you did, did you help the Egyptians build the pyramids with you guys and then all that kind of stuff, like we’ve talked about in other sessions, actually, but we didn’t say Anunnakis.

Denise: He’s saying, he says, he says yes, like, and the way he says yes, it’s like they had something’, they had some input in there, some input in there, and I feel like the design of it, because there’s a reason why the pyramids are shaped the way they are, he’s showing me, and it’s all for energetic purposes.

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: The way the energy is. It’s not just because that was the shape of houses back then.

Elisa: Yeah.

Denise: There’s, there’s a reason and a purpose for the way that the pyramids are shaped the way they are. It has to do with, he’s showing me space, so, I guess the solar system or something in there.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: Yeah. It has something to do with energy.

Elisa: All right, well, what specifically? Was it a form of communicating?

Denise: Yes, that’s what he said.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: That what, that’s what he was telling me. He’s telling me it was a form of communicating. A form of, it’s almost like it was a, uh, kind of like a, where you would, uh, like a landmark where people would know. You know, like, okay, this is where Suzie’s group is, this is where Joe’s group, you know, just it’s, it’s a marking, a marking.

Elisa: A marking.

Denise: And he makes me feel like it’s almost like a, like a satellite type.

Elisa: Interesting.

Denise: Yeah.

Elisa: Maybe it’s communicating with, I don’t know . . . inaudible.

Denise: He says, many, and many in what we would say “the outer space.” Yes, many.

Elisa: Were there other aliens with you, other alien races with you during the ancient Egyptian times, or were you the only group?

Denise: No, he says we’re never the only ones, and he’s referring that to everything. We’re never the only ones.

Elisa: Well, why Earth, which has such a small cosmic significance? Why would you come to Earth of all places?

Denise: He’s showing me, and Erik too, he says there is some talk about them. There’s a mineral or something, or something like that here, and he’s showing me like, like gold, I guess is what he’s showing.

Elisa: Yeah, that’s what the theory is.

Denise: Because it’s shiny. He’s showing me shiny, and it’s not yellow, so it’s gold.

Elisa: So, what does he need the—there are theories, of course—but what did you need the gold for? Was it some sort of protection of some sort or used for your spacecrafts, or?

Denise: He’s showing me the energy, the energy that comes from it, and when you say build spacecraft or stuff, I just feel like there was a multitude of what gold is used for, and so I’m asking him. So, is this why gold became so popular with us in certain parts of the world, you know, like way back when, because I always think who said that this was so good? You know, it had to have started somewhere.

Elisa: Oh, that’s a good question.

Denise: And so, he is telling me that it’s, there’s something about with the gold, the energy, and it’s not the stuff that’s been melted down like what we get now, because that’s not even the pure gold, like what they were getting.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: But the energy from it, he’s telling me, it, I just feel like it had something to do with, I don’t know, it’s almost like it helped some, like with some form of communication, and I’m asking, “Did it help with spaceships or cars or whatever you did?” and he makes me feel like it was some sort of fuel or something like that. I don’t know.

Elisa: Probably a component in their fuel systems.

Denise: Yeah, yeah.

Elisa: Did it have any other protective reason, I’m thinking, I mean, environmental reason that you had it also? Like you say, there are probably multiple reasons for and multiple uses that you had for it, but …

Denise: He tells me that it’s almost hard for us to comprehend what this stuff was done with . . .

Elisa: Oh, I see.

Denise: Because they, but what he’s showing me is when you say environmental, I feel like how they used this to, they didn’t use it to fuel, say, spaceships like we use gasoline to fuel our cars. So, because he’s showing me how it doesn’t, like, how we fuel cars, it releases emissions, and I just feel like he’s telling me that they’re very conscious of the environment, so to speak. He makes me feel like, too, also that there’s, I don’t know if they were kind of like, kind of territorial-type people or something?

Elisa: I don’t know. Were you or are you?

Denise: He makes me feel like they were kind of territorial, you know, like, this is my space, get away from it.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: It’s almost like, yeah, it’s . . .

Elisa: Oh, so I think what you’re tapping into is the thought that gold particles may have been used as some sort of shield for their planet, but I don’t know if it was a shield to, like, this is my territory, or a shield, this is my environment and I’m protecting it, or if it’s something else. Can you elaborate?

Denise: It’s more of a shield for their environment, and I feel like there was something on their planet where they’re from that’s so similar to gold.

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: And it’s not that exact same thing, but it’s very similar to it.

Elisa: I mean, it has the same function, maybe?

Denise: Yes. The only thing is, is that he’s showing me, like, our supply was more fruitful than their supply was.

Elisa: Okay, so maybe they were running out. Was your planet in some sort of distress?

Denise: Well, he said they had been looking for a while before finding it here, you know, and they had been looking for a while because I don’t feel like they waited until they ran out.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: And when he’s showing me this, I feel like because life depended on this stuff.

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: So, I don’t, so when you say shield and stuff, I feel like the weather-type environment was, like, had a . . .

Elisa: Hostile?

Denise: It did, that played a role and it helped to maybe keep it, I feel like it kept the planet warm or something, I don’t . . .

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: I feel like that because I don’t feel like they were very adapted to cold weather, and just because he makes me feel . . .

Elisa: Interesting.

Denise: Like the way he’s showing me about needing it to shield them from the weather, the weather-type environments and that . . .

Elisa: Okay, all right.

Denise: So, I’m asking him, did the, are the weather changing because of what y’all did to your world? And he says, he said no, it’s just that . . .

Elisa: It’s just the way it is.

Denise: It’s just the way it’s located and the things that happened, yeah.

Elisa: Okay, so I guess you used us for slaves to mine the gold?

Denise: Um . . .

Elisa: Or did we just willingly participate, and maybe the pharaohs turned us into slaves in your behalf?

Denise: He’s not acknowledging that they did that.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: Yeah, he’s not acknowledging it, and in a way, he says that he’s, like, there was a payoff, you know?

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: It wasn’t like, I, he doesn’t make me feel like he, like they held them at gunpoint and telling them to do it.

Elisa: Okay, well that’s good.

Denise: I feel like there was some sort of payoff. I don’t know if it was through shelter or food or medicine or, or what is what he’s saying.

Elisa: Okay. Well, the pharaohs themselves made have made humans, the people into slaves, I don’t know. Okay, so . . .

Denise: Were they friends with that species? Because . . .

Elisa: I don’t know. I don’t know maybe, maybe that’s the wrong time period. Let’s ask the Boss.

Denise: I don’t get like they mixed, like, because he’s . . .

Elisa: With the pharaohs?

Denise: Yeah, I don’t get, like . . .

Elisa: Oh!

Denise: Like they mixed. Because I just feel like they were on two different pages of how things were, just the way he’s . . .

Elisa: Was it a different time period from when the pharaohs were around, or a different area or?

Denise: He’s making me feel like it’s a different time period.

Elisa: Oh, okay. Well, why did humans see you guys as gods?

Denise: He laughs, he goes, “Because we were,” and [Elisa laughs] . . . and then he goes, I feel like he’s kind of joking, and he’s strange. The energy’s strange, because of, he’s saying, because of their ability to transition, I guess move from one place to another, their abilities to, um, I feel like they were able to, like, I feel like they were almost psychic, like they could foresee things.

Elisa: Oh, yeah.

Denise: There was a lot of healing abilities with them as well.

Elisa: Ah, so no wonder.

Denise: They also could support with food and water because, he’s showing me, like, there was never a shortage with that. Like, there was always plenty, and . . .

Elisa: So, maybe you, maybe you could tap into that whole scarcity is an illusion, that abundance is real and you can manifest, uh . . .

Denise: Well, he says yes, he says yes. He goes, “We know that that is an illusion,” and so that was never, um, and I also feel like, did they look different or something, because I feel like it’s something to do with their . . .

Elisa: Oh, let’s, let’s talk about it, yeah.

Denise: To do with their looks or something.

Elisa: Yeah. Describe your physical appearance for us. Now, Denise says you tend to be tall. How tall are we talkin’?

Denise: He says 10 feet.

Elisa: Okay, and did—you have a funny expression. So, describe everything else. Did you look humanoid?

Denise: Parts of our bodies were, to an extent, but no, not everything. He’s showing me, no, he’s showing me they had, they walked on two legs. They had hands, but their bodies weren’t built like us. I feel like . . .

Elisa: Well, in what way were they different? I mean, just a couple of points is fine.

Denise: He makes me feel like, like they had a tail. The way their head was shaped, and the way he’s showing me how their head was shaped, that the bald-headed man that used to play on the original Star Trek reminds me of him, of how . . .

Elisa: Oh, really?

Denise: Of how it’s, when their head is shaped . . . yeah.

Elisa: Oh, is it like a big protuberance in the back kind of thing?

Denise: The way he’s kind of showing me. And that guy, that guy from Star Trek, the original one, that bald one, I swear I think he’s an alien, and he’s showing me . . .

Elisa: Oh, my gosh.

Denise: And there’s some other people like that. I wish I could remember who they were now, but he’s . . .

Elisa: Well, it seemed like Queen Nefertiti had that big thing. I don’t know, maybe she was just trying to mimic, I don’t know. Maybe they shaped their skulls to mimic the Anunnaki or in history. Who knows?

Denise: Yeah, well, and he’s showing me how, um, they didn’t have hair, long hair. They didn’t have hair like us at all. They didn’t have different colored eyes. They only had one color eyes, and I’m asking him what color, and he’s showing me like a hazel color . . .

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: It’s with the eyes.

Elisa: Did you have 10 fingers, 10 toes, and were they longer or shorter or?

Denise: I don’t feel like he did have the fingers and the toes like we did.

Elisa: Okay, so maybe some [inaudible]. . .

Denise: I don’t, I just don’t feel like there were that many. I’m getting like, maybe three or four.

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: But he’s showing me, he’s kind of laughing, he’s, they did have all the body parts as far as body parts like the organs . . .

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: And stuff like that. They had that stuff, and I’m asking him did you bleed red blood? [laughs]

Elisa: Oh, that’s a good question.

Denise: And so, he makes me feel like it’s, you know, before they god mixed and everything, he makes me feel like it was kind of like the fluid in them, almost like a mustard color.

Elisa: Oh, cool.

Denise: That’s what he’s showing me, and that . . .

Elisa: Are you, are you carbon based and you have DNA like us, or, I mean, the original, not after you mixed?

Denise: Um, he says yes because we all originate from the same thing, so we all have something in common.

Elisa: Okay, okay.

Denise: That’s what he’s saying.

Elisa: Interesting. Well, were people afraid of you, I mean, humans afraid of you when you guys first appeared, or well, how’d you come, in a spaceship, or just transport through, like, “Beam me up, Scotty,” kind of thing, or what?

Denise: He says that they came in spaceships because it just, it just wasn’t, and I feel like because he’s saying it just wasn’t that big of a deal, and I’m sitting here thinking yes, it is, but they didn’t back then have the population like we do now.

Elisa: Oh, yes.

Denise: So, if you landed now, you know, a lot of people would see it, and then it would create a lot of havoc and all that, but he’s showing me how there wasn’t, you know, the population wasn’t as big, and so it’s not, it’s just, it’s different. And I also get the feeling like people knew that there were spaceships, that there were people.

Elisa: Oh, wow.

Denise: The way he’s showing me. It’s because it’s . . .

Elisa: So, they were not that surprised then, the humans back then, when you started arriving?

Denise: He says, you know, not like what we think it would be today, you know, he said, because it just . . . He, the way he says it, it’s like the fear or whatever it is, the manipulation on how things are supposed to be or not be, hasn’t really been set in as strong as it is today.

Elisa: Yeah, we’ve seen all sorts of movies and stuff that, you know, that [inaudible] our fear.

Denise: Yes, and he’s also saying that, you know, there are pictures and stories about his species and other species where they’ve found drawings or something in stone or brick or whatever it is . . .

Elisa: Yeah.

Denise: In the walls or whatever, and he, he’s telling me that that’s not just a random drawing that somebody created. Somebody saw that, people saw that.

Elisa: Oh yeah, I bet.

Denise: And that’s how they were telling stories back then and doing that.

Elisa: Well, when did you come, about when in the course of our history did you come?

Denise: He’s showing me way before, um, what we call Jesus came. Way before that.

Elisa: Was it like before, I mean, during Neanderthal times? During Mother Lucy? I mean, um, Cro-Magnon?

Denise: He makes me feel like it’s like a couple of thousand years before Christ or something? Yeah, like a long time ago.

Elisa: Yeah. All right, so were you immortal? In other words, are the Anunnaki that was there helping humans and mining gold, are they still present, alive today?

Denise: The way he’s showing me, there are some people that have a little bit of that DNA in them that are here.

Elisa: Ah, okay.

Denise: There are some.

Elisa: But y’all die, right? I mean, you have a lifespan like humans do and like most life forms?

Denise: He said yeah, yeah, but he says but before they were, I guess I want to say, like, watered down, they lived a long time. They didn’t just live like 50 years or 60 years. I feel like they lived a long time, but I, and when I’m saying that, he’s telling me because they didn’t have a lot of things to destroy their body, you know, and things are just . . . He also makes me feel like adapted to wherever they were, the environment, that’s how they . . .

Elisa: Oh, so they could adapt easily.

Denise: Yeah, that’s what he . . .

Elisa: Did you require oxygen to breathe?

Denise: He said, “Yes.” He’s saying yes.

Elisa: Okay. Now, supposedly you did mate with human females, and what are those hybrids like, and is anyone currently on Earth that is, like, one of those who’s well known, like Queen Elizabeth or whatever. I don’t know.

Denise: And you said that they were known to mate with women who were human?

Elisa: Yeah, supposedly, but is that true, first of all? I don’t know. Is that what you say about being watered down, being like a hybrid?

Denise: Yes, yes, yes, and you know, and he’s showing me there’s some movie that was out called, hmm, something water, I forget, and he’s showing me it’s kind of like that, where a woman, like, fell in love with this lizard-type man or something . . . It was just [inaudible]

Elisa: Wow.

Denise: It was fascinating. It was weird but it was fascinating, and I can’t remember the name, it’s something water, but, um, you know, he said, he’s saying yes. I don’t feel like, I feel like whatever kind of intimate relationship they had was consensual, but I feel like, I don’t know, I’m asking him, because I feel like he, like, gave ‘em like a love serum or something, you know, to make them look attractive to ‘em, because I’m sitting here thinking, why would they be attracted to you or something, you know?

Elisa: Or vice versa! You never know!

Denise: I know! I’m just, like, and then . . .

Elisa: Well, did you have regular ol’ intercourse? I mean, did you have a penis, and, or [Denise laughs], I don’t know, are there female Anunnaki that have vaginas? I don’t know. [Denise laughing] I mean how did you reproduce with humans? [Denise laughing] Well, I mean, seriously, I, it’s like . . .

Denise: I know.

Elisa: I wanna know.

Denise: That’s a good question. [Denise can’t stop laughing!]

Elisa: Oh, you’re getting embarrassed!

Denise: Yep! Um . . .

Elisa: Oh, I hope he’s not showing you any pictures!

Denise: Not in full detail, but it’s, I feel like they don’t do the actual . . .

Elisa: The actual thing.

Denise: Intercourse, uh huh, and there’s just, I feel like it’s, for a lack of better words on my behalf, like a lab-created situation.

Elisa: Oh, okay! Was there any reason that you wanted to do that, to create human/Anunnaki hybrids?

Denise: He said yes, it’s almost like to assure that the species continues to go.

Elisa: Oh, and maybe you wanted some human DNA in there because they’re sort of adapted already to Earth, is that probably why?

Denise: He said, yeah, because you need that, yes, but I just feel like wanted to keep the . . .

Elisa: Anunnaki.

Denise: The species alive, the way he’s showing me, because I just feel like they could foresee things way ahead in the future.

Elisa: Wow.

Denise: And this was just the way, and, but you know, the way he’s showing me how is, I don’t feel like the people automatically started looking like you and I. I, it’s been a process going down the way.

Elisa: Oh, yeah.

Denise: And he’s kind of laughing. He says, “You think that all of you are just humans and that’s all y’all are, he says, but he’s making me feel like we’re all something other than . . .

Elisa: Yeah, I’ve got a little bit of this, a little bit of that. We’re mutts. We’re alien mutts!

Denise: Yeah, that we’re all something, you know, because, something other than just . . . Well, he’s just saying we . . .That we’re so much more than this, and when he says that, when I’m saying that, he’s, like, “We’re not just the human DNA. There’s so much more to us than what people realize.”

Elisa: Did you tinker with our DNA and, if so, why?

Denise: I don’t get a yes or no, but I, but what I did get was I feel like that was a yes, he did.

Elisa: Oh, okay. Was it because you wanted us to evolve? I don’t know, but . . .

Denise: I feel like it was something to do for their benefit, is what I’m getting, something to do for their benefit.

Elisa: Okay. What would that be? And Erik, you can, you can help too, because it can’t be easy to, you know, understand an Anunnaki. [Denise laughs] I mean, seriously.

Denise: It’s different, I’m telling you, it’s different.

Elisa: I know; I bet.

Denise: It’s really different because it’s just not one. It’s like a collective consciousness, and…

Elisa: It makes it difficult, yeah.

Denise: The way, Erik is saying, you know it’s kind of like part of the plan. It’s the way about manipulating the DNA, and I also feel like when he says “part of the plan,” it’s like they could see things ahead of time of what they wanted done with this planet and what they wanted to create, what they didn’t want to create, and I just feel like there was more potential, as they’re showing me, to do things here than there was on their planet. Because I feel like this planet is much larger than where they’re from.

Elisa: Oh, I see. Well, make yourself at home! So, why were you so intrigued. Well, first of all, were there female Anunnaki?

Denise: He says yes, there were, but I don’t feel like it’s like the female . . .

Elisa: Or do they have genders, I guess, is my main question.

Denise: He says, yes, they do, they do, but he is making me feel like, and they have to choose what they wanted to be. You know, it’s not like, and so the female knew they wanted to be a female, so they liked being a female. The male knew they wanted to be the male, so they were the male. So, as he is saying this, of course, I’m asking, so were there any gays or transgenders or anything like that, and he says, they knew exactly what they wanted to be, and that’s what they picked, and so . . .

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: And so, there was no . . .

Elisa: Did they reproduce in the lab, or did they reproduce, like, in some other way like we do?

Denise: I don’t feel like they carried it in their abdomen.

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: I just don’t feel that. I don’t know how they did it. I just, was it created in a lab? No, on the regular, you know, with their kind, no, but I just don’t feel like it was created in their, like it grew in their abdomen like ours. I don’t know.

Elisa: Just like a kangaroo, a little tiny little thing, and then it developed in pouch or some flower blossom or . . .

Denise: Or something, or maybe, I don’t know, carried eggs or . . .

Elisa: Maybe.

Denise: I don’t, yeah, but I don’t feel like they, I don’t see no, I don’t feel like they carried it in a stomach like we did, no.

Elisa: Okay. All right, I’m going to ask you make these kind of quick because, we might have to have a part 2. Were you, it seemed like you guys were very intrigued with Earth women and, therefore, mated with them in a test tube or whatever way it is? Is that so, and if so, why?

Denise: He said, yes, that is true, um, and I just feel like our demeanor and how we were, he’s showing me how, back when all of this . . . It’s almost like we looked up to them.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: Like they were the gods.

Elisa: Yeah.

Denise: Is what he’s showing me. It’s like they looked up to them like they were the gods.

Elisa: Well, what did you think about us and, specifically, the female human.

Denise: He liked the anatomy [laughs].

Elisa: Okay, okay.

Denise: He’s, he’s saying, uh, because he’s showing me the body, he liked the anatomy of the women.

Elisa: Aw. What did you like about women or humans and all, and what did you not like? I mean, just, as a general rule, of course.

Denise: [Laughs] Um, I just . . .

Elisa: [Chuckles]

Denise: I just feel like he liked the responses of the woman’s anatomy of being touched and stuff. He just, and also, I’m hearing “tenderness” come from him. “Tenderness” is what I’m hearing, and also, too, I feel like emotion, just something about emotion.

Elisa: What, do y’all have different emotions, and you thought ours were very interesting, or do you even have emotions?

Denise: Yeah, he says they do, but not like we do, and one of the things, the emotion that intrigued him, and I feel like he’s speaking for all, is the tears.

Elisa: Oh, sadness, grief.

Denise: Yeah, that, that just, that intrigued them, he’s showing me, but emotions. And then, and I feel like the reason why that intrigued him was because they feel things vibrationally very intense.

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: Very intense. They can pick up on the vibration walking the Earth. They can feel . . .

Elisa: Yeah.

Denise: He’s making me feel like they could feel an earthquake that’s going to happen 20 days from now. They just can feel the vibration intensely, yeah.

Elisa: Was there anything you did not like about humans?

Denise: He said it was very confusing how, it’s almost like, how quickly we get mad and, and then how . . . I don’t know why, but he makes me feel like, for some reason, how we treat people, and the way he’s saying that I feel like it’s, like, how we treat other people unkindly. That, that was confusing, and then when he’s saying that, I’m, like, well, what about, because I feel like there are rumors about how they treated us . . .

Elisa: Oh, yeah.

Denise: And I just don’t feel like it was the same type of behavior.

Elisa: Oh, okay. All right, well, let’s talk about your personalities and emotions. Can you describe all those, or you know, in some detail at least?

Denise: He says, “We don’t have sadness” like we do here, like y’all, he’s saying like y’all but he’s saying “you,” but I say “y’all,” like we do here, because they are so highly evolved, they understand everything. They don’t get caught up in everything, and they don’t have all of that BS to have to clear through, you know, is there a heaven and hell, like, where is it?

Elisa: Yeah.

Denise: So, they know all of that stuff anyway, so it’s not like they have to get rid of all those- Elisa:        Right.

Denise: All the blank doors or something, so, and they really don’t get angry like we do because they know.

Elisa: [inaudible] Yeah.

Denise: And I feel like, and when he’s saying that, like, when they were communicating, they communicated more telepathically than anything.

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: Just the energy because they could read each other’s energy, and so they would know. It’s just real . . .

Elisa: But were you kind, or did you have a nefarious side?

Denise: He says they were kind. He says . . .

Elisa: Okay. Kind of kind, I’m kidding.

Denise: Yeah, he says they were, yeah.

Elisa: Well, good, so you didn’t want to hurt us. You just wanted our gold, and you had some sort of energy exchange for that?

Denise: From his perspective, yes, is what he saying. From his perspective, yes.

Elisa: So, are you the same as Reptilians that they talk about? David Icke, or whoever, is that the same, or is it something different?

Denise: I don’t know, because when you’re asking that, now I’m kind of like remembering how he was describing his body. I feel like they might be like cousins or something.

Elisa: Oh, so, closely related. Okay, okay. Now, are there any famous Anunnaki/human hybrids now or in history? I mean, you could name a couple if you want.

Denise: He said there are. There were and there are.

Elisa: Okay. Can you name a couple?

Denise: And I’m asking him because, and I wish I could remember those ones, because I remember going, oh, my God, they look like an alien to me.

Elisa: Oh, my God!

Denise: Yes, I mean is just the bizarrest thing. And that guy, that man from Star Trek is one of them, and uh, who else? I wish I could remember who, but I remember thinking that, and I’m asking him, so there’s some here? You know, I don’t feel like he wants to really say who.

Elisa: Okay, that fine . . . [inaudible]

Denise: And I feel like, and I feel like because they may not even be aware of what, of any.

Elisa: Okay, so we’ll just keep it on the lowdown.

Denise: Yeah.

Elisa: All right, well, we’ll probably have to have two parts, really, because I’ve got still so many questions from people. Um, mmm, let me see, uh . . . Oh yeah, they talk about this Council of Seven Anunnaki.  What’s that all about, that thing?

Denise: The Council of Seven, he makes me feel like there isn’t a Council of Seven, because I feel like there are some . . . It’s kind of similar to, you know, like we have leaders and stuff here.

Elisa: So, like a council of elders kind of thing?

Denise: Yeah, and I’m asking him, “So are you speaking on behalf of the Council of Seven?,“ and he’s showing me, like, he does speak for all, is what he’s, you know, it’s like there is a . . . and so, I’m asking him, “So did y’all, like, reincarnate, reincarnate and keep coming back,” but he’s, he says it’s, you don’t have to continuously be in body form to be where they are, because they understand about the energy and that because it just never disappears.

Elisa: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, what is the purpose of the Council of Seven? And there are some names that I’ve written down that . . . Enki, Anu, Enlil, Marduk. Maybe, are they part of the Council of Seven, or are they just some, something else?

Denise: I don’t think they’re, like, on the top seven is what I don’t get, but. But, but, it’s, when you asked what is the reason for the Council of Seven, I get, like, to help keep order.

Elisa: Well, keep order where? Among the Anunnaki or among us?

Denise: Both.

Elisa: Are they in spirit, this Council of Seven? Are they spiritual guides of ours, or?

Denise: They’re in spirit, and I feel like they have some type of, they’re involved with us right now, with what’s going on with this planet and that . . .

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: That there is some, there is something, they’re, they’re working with others or whatever. There’s something going on there.

Elisa: Oh. Are you working with the government, with our governments?

Denise: When you said that, I, it’s kind of like he stood back, and others are working with the government,

Elisa: Oh, okay. So, other alien races.

Denise: Mm-hmm.

Elisa: Are you still around, and do you, or do you still come here to the Earth to get gold?

Denise: I was asking him that, too. I was wondering, like, is that . . .

Elisa: Gimme back my gold!

Denise: You know, I feel like on some level they do come here for gold, but I also get, like, they’ve found other forms of, I don’t know if I want to say metals, but type of substance also.

Elisa: Oh, okay. Are they still trying to protect their, the atmosphere of their planet with some of these minerals? With gold, I guess.

Denise: When you asked that, he told me it is protected.

Elisa: Oh, okay. All right, good.

Denise: Yeah, he says that.

Elisa: What do you need the gold for still, just to maintain or, are you still, are there still any on Nibiru also? I mean, so anyway, yeah, are you still having to protect it with, you know, maintain it, like, with more gold and this other mineral? We’ll start out with that.

Denise: He’s showing me how they have found a way to preserve what it is they have.

Elisa: Ah.

Denise: But with the gold, they found other elements to help preserve it, is what he’s showing me, and I’m asking, “Do you still have to mine? Do you still have to do that?” I don’t feel like they’re completely finished with that.

Elisa: Oh, okay.

Denise: And then so I’m asking him again, “So, are y’all, are you the ones that started this craze for people to have gold,” because you know, like, who all of a sudden decided that gold’s amazing? I mean . . .

Elisa: That it’s precious, yeah.

Denise: Yeah, and . . .

Elisa: What do you think, Boss?

Denise: He shows me, like, and it was the status thing, because you would see people—and he’s showing me people like him, like maybe wearing bracelets or necklaces or something with it. And they did that, I feel like, for the energy that came from the gold, which you know, he said about the vibration, but I just feel like, I’m like, “So, did you start this fashion thing, this status thing?” I’m just thinking, because I feel like where he came from was not here in the U.S. but, like, over in, like, the Middle East.

Elisa: Okay.

Denise: And stuff like over around in there or even Africa and stuff, and stuff around in there, and it’s just, you know, something that continued on, and he’s not owning that he started that, but I . . .

Elisa: Well, I mean, I can imagine if, if they’re getting humans to help mine the gold, then, and if they, if he was looking up to his god, then thinking, well, they want gold, so I guess it’s really amazing. It’s probably that, right, Boss?

Denise: You know, I feel like, yes, it is, but I feel like he’s being really modest about taking ownership of any of that.

Elisa: Okay, that’s fine.

Denise: But that’s fascinating to me, because I always, like, wondered, who started this?

Elisa: Yeah.

Denise: Who ate the blueberry and said it was good for you. That’s what I want to know really.

Elisa: All right, so, I got a couple more questions. Is it true the generation Anunnaki/humans were the first Egyptian pharaohs? I mean, the Anunnaki/human hybrid, were they the first Egyptian pharaohs?

Denise: He’s saying yes.

Elisa: Oh, cool!

Denise: Wow, wow.

Elisa: Last one because it’s kind of long timewise. Did Anunnaki breed with cavemen to create the first humans, which they called Adam and Eve, or did they create the first humans in order to use them as labor to mine the gold? Wait, did they, I don’t think they, I mean, when you guys came over here the first time, weren’t there already humans or not? I don’t know.

Denise: Yeah, but I don’t feel like, I don’t feel like they used them as slaves. And, and I say that in the term. . .

Elisa: Yeah.

Denise: In the term of how we define slaves. This is not the energy that is not the energy that he gives me with it.

Elisa: Right. Well, maybe the pharaohs, who were hybrids, were treating us as slaves. I don’t know, that could be it, right?

Denise: He said that could be, but he’s, but he’s . . .

Elisa: But not y’all as a pure race.

Denise: And yeah, he says it, the energy doesn’t match, and I really, I feel like it goes against what . . .

Elisa: Yeah.

Denise: How they, how they lived.

Elisa: How evolved you are, etc.

Denise: Yeah, yeah, [inaudible]

Elisa: So, did y’all create the first human, humans Adam and Eve?

Denise: He says, and what we know, I just feel like [inaudible] and this is blowing my mind, he’s, like, yes to answer your question and with the person who asked that question, yes, but he’s saying don’t get caught up in that Adam and Eve thing.

Elisa: Oh, okay. So, so, when you first got here, the very first Anunnaki arrived on Earth, there were no humans, so then you created humans, and then you bred with them to create hybrids?

Denise: He’s telling me that there was always some type of human life here, always.

Elisa: Okay, all right. So, you were [inaudible]

Denise: He’s telling me, and we’ve had different sizes and stuff like that, but I feel like they chose a calm period, for lack of better words of putting it, and they chose to come here, and it’s like they saw an opening and, and then decided to do the, working to, I don’t know how I want to, um, inbr– . . . I don’t want to say inbreeding with.

Elisa: Oh, okay. No, I mean, you know, to make hybrids?

Denise: Where they were cross—yeah, hybrids. Thanks, I couldn’t think of the name. And he says, “This is going to confuse a lot of people who have a religious background because this kind of shatters so much of that, “ but he really, and I feel like he is being very sensitive that, you know, we still all come from the same place.

Elisa: Oh, yeah. All right, so maybe Adam and Eve are maybe, I don’t know, maybe that describes an Anunnaki and a human woman as a pair.

Denise: Well, he says, “you know, some of that story’s not really real, anyway.”

Elisa: Yeah, yeah.

Denise: And I feel like, and the way he says that about eating the apple, and then here comes the . . .

Elisa: Oh, yeah, yeah, right.

Denise: Yeah, yeah, and that’s what he’s saying, but I feel like, yes, they were, they were, yeah.

Elisa: They bred with the humans that were indigenous to Earth in a lab, etc., to produce a new kind of human, like the hybrid. Is that what you’re saying?

Denise: He said yes, and he’s telling me one of the reasons why they did it, because of the way also, too, he makes me feel—he’s now kind of, like, coming through a little stronger—because of the way our bodies were shaped and everything and how we just adapt better to this environment here.

Elisa: Well, of course, yeah, I guess, because we are indigenous, but why did you feel it was important to put some of your DNA in, you know, into the human body? What benefits would that give you, or humans, for that matter?

Denise: He is saying that, he, he, the way he says it it’s almost like, so we always have a connection. They always have a connection with us in some way or another. There is always a connection.

Elisa: So, yeah, that’s interesting. So, maybe you, you know, your DNA helped create our, some of our ability to be psychic or, you know, telepathic, and maybe some of your, your powers, I’ll say, your gifts, were inherited by us through hybrids.

Denise: He says yes, all of that.

Elisa: Okay, Denise is a hybrid! I’m kidding. You might be!

Denise: He said, yes, all of that.

Elisa: [inaudible] that we all are!

Denise: And as you’re asking that, and I’m listening to him, and I’m going this is, like, more than what a spreadsheet can handle, because I always want to put this on a spreadsheet and make [inaudible]

Elisa: Of course, you do. That’s so cool.

Denise: But, yeah. [inaudible].

Elisa: So, anyway, we’ll talk more about that later. We can talk about the soul trapped in our body; if you’re going to come back; if so, why. We got a bunch of questions, but thank you, Boss, I appreciate it. Thank you, Erik, for bringing the collective in, and I love you, and I love you, Denise. You guys, check her out at DeniseRamon.com. See you after my trip, everybody!

Denise: I love you. He says, “Mama, I love you so much.” He really loves you.

Elisa: I love you too. Come to Norway with me!

Denise: He’s there.

Elisa: All right! Ok, baby, bye!

Denise: Bye. Take care.

Elisa: Bye.

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