If you guys haven’t listened to the Jesus YouTube (or even if you have), go to 26:30 right after I ask Jesus if he has reincarnated. You can hear him say, “Yes.” Then at 33:07, you can here a voice say something like, “You gotta give him some respect” or “Depending on your perspective” right after Quentin Crisp makes a comment about what a good looking man Jesus is. Jamie confirmed that the door to her room was closed and no one ever comes into the room during her sessions for obvious reasons. She also said, after listening to the recording, that it was indeed Erik! Cool EVPs.

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Me: What about walk-ins? Why do they come in sometimes when somebody exits?

Erik: Woooooo.

Jamie and I laugh.

Erik: Just to clarify, a walk-in, how do you perceive that, Mom?

Me: I perceive them as somebody who jumps into somebody’s life—into their body—and the soul that was formerly in it leaves. There is such a thing, isn’t there, like a 6 year-old that says, “Hm. I don’t wanna be body. Adios.” Then, another soul jumps in?

Erik: Okay.

(Pause)

Me: Aaaaannnnnd?

Jamie: Yeah, I know. He’s not saying anything. He’s thinking. I don’t know what about. I asked him, ‘Does it hurt?’ (She laughs.)

We both giggle.

Jamie: He’s listening to somebody talking to him about – (to Erik) Who are you listening to?

Erik: None of your beeswax!

Jamie: He wanted to clarify, on their behalf, exactly what a walk-in is.

Me: Mm hm.

Jamie: Because it’s not a common thing. It’s actually a little frowned upon.

Erik: I know people are going to read that and think it’s negative, you know, like, “Oh, you shouldn’t do it!” But the reason it’s kind of frowned upon is if you’re going this far to actually get into a life, to get into a body, we’re going to encourage you to finish it out, but if your sustainability is so weak—if your spirit is so weak in that process that you need to pass it on then, yeah, there can be a trade out. This can happen in different ways, so when you say “walk-in”, this is why it confuses me, because not all the time is it a spirit who leaves the body and a different spirit who arrives in that living body. It can be a spirit in that body who just says, “ I can’t do this. I need to know more,” and overnight they’re downloaded with information, and it makes them a stronger spirit that behaves completely different.

Me: Oh! Okay.

Erik: So, it can be like a mega-upgrade.

Me: Erik 2.0.

Erik: Often the walk-ins are when something traumatic has happened to a person. It could be coming out of a coma. It could be getting hit by a car. It could be having a life-changing experience like losing a mother, losing a child where that person decides they’re done, but they don’t experience death in the physical traditional way. It’s almost like a release effort. The walk-in.

Me: Okay. Well, that doesn’t seem to relate to destiny, so we won’t go on with that subject. How have your concepts of destiny and free will changed compared to when you were alive, Erik? Make it a quick one, because I want to go on to sex.

Erik Of course you do.

Me: No, I know you do! That’s your favorite subject! I want you to be happy!

Erik: They changed drastically, because it’s no longer—

Me: No, for you, personally, now!

Erik: That’s what I’m saying!

Me: Okay, okay!

Erik: The contrast, the, the—Fuck, now I’m talking in tongues. It changed drastically, because it was not longer a mystery about how it worked or where it was present in my life. It’s just so completely visible. It’s just how we live.

Me: Okay. Is there free will there in the afterlife?

Erik: Yeah, whaddya think, we’re a bunch of puppets?

Me: Does it affect you in the same way it affect us mere mortals?

Erik: Mere mortals! You muggles! Yeah. Yes, yes. It’s still the same.

Me: Okay. Is there anything else you want to share with us about destiny or free will?

Erik: Nope.