Y’all, I am exhausted today! I think I’ve been working out too hard at the gym. It didn’t help that I stayed up super late last night (or early this morning!) I will say, though, that I’m a lot stronger than I thought I’d be for an old lady. When I go to a weight machine just used by girls in their 20s and 30s, I almost always have to increase the weight substantially. Not that I’m going to try out for the next bodybuilding contest or anything. Gross. Still, weight training is important to keep these brittle old bones from snapping like dry twigs!

We had a great show last night with our wonderful guest from the U.K., psychic medium, Jonathan Brown, although his phone connection wasn’t the best and his accent, however cute, was sometimes hard to understand. He was super accurate. He and Veronica nailed it with their channeling!

Elisa: Hello, Miss Michelle Gray, how you doing?

Michelle: I’m very good Elisa, how are you?

Elisa:  Good, and hi Erik, I love you, I hear you’ve been very physically present in the Gray household. Michelle tell us about that.

Erik: Hi Momma (blowing kisses).

Michelle: He’s just kind of laughing, he’s had a lot of fun with us. A lot of different thing, like he does flicker lights quite a bit, but I mean I’ll go in to have my shower and the lights will just start going (making noise to indicate turning off and on), flicking on and off, a lot of that, a lot of bathroom tricks.

Elisa: Oh yeah.

Michelle: He’s in the bathroom quite a bit.

Elisa: Just to embarrass.

Michelle: I think so, just to let me know that he’s there and he knows what I’m doing.

Elisa:  He’s seen you naked.

Michelle:  Oh, I told him that, that area is like you have blinders, you can not see a thing, I will not allow it. He just laughs about it. Anyway, but my daughter and I were sitting together and we were having a conversation, it was a serious conversation but we were talking about spiritual stuff and this is my 13 year old daughter and we had an incense stick going and Erik was kind of, you know, I was about to have a session shortly afterwards and he was there, he wasn’t really saying much but I know he was listening to us, and then all of a sudden the incense, we both hear it go (making a sizzling, firecracker sound) and we watched it break right off in half and we watched it sail.

Elisa: Oh my God, like a firecracker or something like that.

Michelle: Like a firecracker and it did a little pshwoo, and landed, and my daughter gets up and she goes, that’s it there is enough going on around here, that’s it. She goes I think I’ve seen in all now.

Elisa: Really, Fourth of July in Canada!

Michelle: Pretty much, pretty much but things like and we had Halloween, my son, my son is 6 and he’s Autistic, and has a little bit of ADHD and you know when Erik is around, and my son will always just kind of look up in the air a little bit and then he’ll just bring Erik’s name into it. Well he was playing with his airport and he had a like a little toy airplane and he kept saying okay Captain Erik.

Elisa: Awe.

Michelle:  Get in the plane Captain Erik. And I said Marky, is Erik playing with you and sometimes he won’t answer, he’ll just look above me and he always, always looks up here.

Elisa: Wow.

Michelle:  It’s just so funny because he told us on Halloween that Erik was wearing all black, because he usually says Erik has on a red t-shirt and a white hat.

Elisa: Right.

Michelle: Or he’ll say the peak is at the back, that Erik has his hat turned around.

Elisa:  Oh yeah.

Michelle: So, on Halloween I said, what is Erik wearing and he kept calling him a black cat, a spirit in a black hat, so I’m not sure if that is what Erik was portraying to him is a black cat.

Elisa: Well Erik is that what you were for Halloween? Were you a black cat?

Erik:  Yes.

Michelle: He actually just showed me the image of, we have a cat that’s a black cat. This cat’s like a therapy cat for Marcus, so.

Elisa: Hey, Erik, let me ask you a question for Marky. They have found that Autism is based in inflammation and a lot of people say that making a low does naltrexone cream and putting it on them at night really helps, would Marky benefit by that?

Erik:  He would.

Elisa: All right, check that out, Michelle.

Erik: He would.

Michelle: That is very interesting.

Elisa: Yeah look up LDN and Autism.

Erik:  Marky would benefit from the weighted blankets.

Elisa: I was just wondering, what about grounding sheets?

Erik:  Yes.

Elisa:  Okay.

Michelle:  Last week I kept walking by a stand that had blankets on them and I keep catching it with my eye, and he’s just showing me right now those were the weighted blankets go look at them.

Elisa:  Yeah, well hey it’s good when you’re in Canada but in Texas it’s hard to have a bunch of weighted blankets. All right, we’re going to get started with the topic at hand. Well we’re going to try to do all of these, I don’t know if we will but how you can tell if you’re a teacher, how you can tell if you’re a healer and how you can tell if you are a Starseed. So, Erik let’s start with teacher, how can you tell if you are here as a teacher?

Michelle:  The first thing he is saying, and he said this to me earlier too when I asked him, I asked him about how do we know first of all, even what direction do we even go in.

Erik:  First of all the whole idea whether you are any of these things and the fact that there are some questions that people have when they start watching these videos or they’re drawn to these type of subjects, and they say well this really does sound like me, is it just me wanting to be this because I think it’s really cool? Or is this actually me? If you’re watching this right now and you are interested in this topic, you are these things. I also want to say too that the labels that are defined Starseed or this or that, these are human labels, these are what human beings feel.

Elisa:  Oh yeah.

Erik:  It is important, I am not knocking the idea that you do put names and what not on things because it does help your human brains especially those that are very logical thinking, it helps put things in order to understand it.

Elisa:  Sure.

Erik: It’s completely okay but there are traits though that are a little more for some than they are for others, when looking at a teacher, the first thing that you’re going to have is anybody who’s a teacher is going to notice that most of their life, they would have a lot of people coming to them for information. Coming to them for, you know, you just may have the answers and chances are if you’re a teacher, you are also an empath as well and you have had a lot of experience in understanding something and being able to explain that to somebody else. You also will have an appreciation for information, for just gathering information, whether it be for somebody else or for yourself.

Elisa:  I love that! I am an information junkie. What did that word come from, you know what was the origin, and I’m on the computer or on my phone it drives my husband crazy.

Erik: You’re a combination of a few of them and that’s another point to make too. Truthfully, everybody’s kind of peppered with a little bit of everything.

Elisa:  Yeah.

Erik: We are all one, and we really are but there are some of us that are a little more lead in one thing or another based on what our soul path is or what we are here to accomplish and here to do. You’ve got teacher and it’s also very common for a teacher to have leadership in their energy as well. You have teacher, leadership and healer.

Elisa:  Okay.

Erik:  Within you. What that also mean is that somebody would have an ability to be able to go in different directions because there’s like a primary energy, so if the primary energy was a teacher then that maybe more of speaking and teaching in groups and if the primary energy were a leader it may come out in speaking in larger groups and speaking to masses.

Elisa:  Oh, okay interesting. All right so, is it usually a spiritual contract to come in here as a teacher?

Erik: Everybody does play teacher at some point in time.

Elisa:  Okay.

Erik:  So, is it a spiritual contract.

Michelle:  He’s just saying to me that there’s a contract between myself and my children, that I am going to be a teacher.

Erik:  So, it is the perspective on what you’re looking at as teacher, can be slightly different. But yes, if you’re coming in to be a teacher to help, specifically right now, people that are awakening to their path and a lot of the teachers right at this time have a spiritual contract into being part of the ascension and part of the awakening.

Elisa:  So, there are a lot more teachers coming in?

Erik:  Yes.

Elisa: All right so there’s not like, these souls are teacher souls and they come in, anybody could be, come in as a teacher, right?

Erik:  Yes, there are some that may be. Let’s look at the fact that there are also teachers within the education system

Elisa:  Yeah.

Erik: There are teachers in food planting, growing, there are people in so many different industries.

Elisa: Oh yeah.

Erik: That are teachers so it’s not just the spiritual contract that they’re coming in to do.

Elisa: And it’s not just spiritual teachers.

Erik: Right, right. If we start with the word teacher then we imagine it’s like the information cloud, so we’ve got teacher and then we break that down to okay what kind of teacher are you, and that’s where free will plays a lot too, so there may be a soul that’s come into a human body that is going to be a spiritual teacher and they’re going to be part of the ascension and they are going to help awaken humanity.

Elisa:  Is that the same as a lightworker?  I mean we can talk about lightworkers separately but.

Erik:  Yes, but another thing, there is a spin off to this as well Mom. A lightworker is not just limited to working within spirituality, with having that awareness.

Elisa:  Oh.

Erik: A lightworker can also be a doctor working right in the hospital, a lightworker can be the lady that’s taking your order at the restaurant, and you know she might be there to deliver specific pieces of information to people that come in everyday that need healing. Let’s look at it like a police department, we’ve got the undercover operators, we’ve got the more obvious ones that are out in uniform walking in the street, and you know we’ve got the ones that are like the investigators. Everybody’s got the same overall goal, but they’ve got all these individual jobs, so that is kind of the way you can look at lightworkers and then if you break it down in that you know there are different types of teachers.

Elisa: Okay.

Michelle: In what field.

Elisa:  So, what defines a lightworker? Oh, you know what, we’ll do that as a separate thing. I think.

Erik:  That could get very complex to go into that.

Elisa: Okay, so Erik what were you in this last incarnation? I know you were an empath.

Erik: Yes, I was an Indigo energy or Indigo child.

Elisa: Yes.

Erik:  I was a teacher.

Elisa:  Yeah people came up to him from all over the place, confiding in him, coming with their life problems and I don’t know if that means he’s a teacher or a healer or both.

Erik:  I was a teacher and a healer. I was also a student as well because I did gain value through experience in my life, but I have done a lot of student work as Erik because I am still living on in our life with the work that he’s doing. So, a lot of the work that he’s learned has been on this side of things, in his spirit body.

Elisa:  Well you sure did hate school here though, I’m telling you, woo.

Erik: I wasn’t the best student.

Elisa: No.

Erik: I wasn’t the best student.

Elisa:  Well not everybody can be.

Michelle: He huge empathy for others.

Erik:  I had a really hard time, I could not wrap my head around the fact that others could be cruel, why would others just be so difficult. I just didn’t understand it, in my mind I wanted to see the world as everybody just doing what they wanted to do and being happy and all the other stuff was very hard on me.

Elisa:  Yeah, the bullying, and all that. Not just to him but to others, he really had a hard time.

Michelle:  He just couldn’t understand that. Now he taught people as well, he taught people patience, he taught people about being in the moment, he’s showing himself being very silly about humour but sense of humour.

Elisa:  Yeah, oh he had a great sense of humour.

Michelle:  And laughter.

Erik:  These are all teaching whether it be the lessons that I left, because a lot of my teaching was done after my death.

Elisa:  Yeah, yeah.

Michelle:  It was what he had left and what experiences that were still the energy of those experiences are still being used as a teaching example.

Elisa: Oh, I know one must be about a lesson in loss, what other lessons did you deliver posthumously?

Erik:  Frustration, pain and frustration, the frustration that you all had as a family in not being able to give me relief.

Elisa: Yeah.

Erik:  Not feeling like you were able to take away my pain.

Elisa: Yeah.

Erik: No matter how hard you tried.

Elisa:  And oh God we did, oof.

Erik: That’s also a lesson to show, you can’t control another person, the manifestations of their own free will. You can do as much as you can to guide and to support and that’s what this is all about, but to also understand that one’s path is one’s path and they make the choices and you know what are you going to do when you’re left with it, what are you going to do with those choices. So that was a really big lesson for many people, not just our family Mom, but for the many, many families that have lost others, to be able to look into their own lives with the example of what has happened to our family, so there were a lot of lessons for me that were not revealed.

Michelle:  He’s showing me like an unwrapping.

Elisa:  Okay.

Michelle:  A lot that came in an unravelling of the grief after his passing.

Elisa: Yeah like an onion.

Michelle: Yes, yes.

Elisa:  Okay.

Michelle:  In layers, yeah.

Elisa:  Hey, Erik if you can leave an EVP, say something on the recording.

Michelle: That is so funny that you said that, that is crazy. You just reminded me, he said tell her, before we started, he goes tell Mom to listen for my voice.

Elisa:  All right guys, listen for his voice, that would be so cool! I remember after your first suicide attempt, Erik, I asked you what do you think you’re to do, and I can’t remember what you said, maybe it was to teach people to be who they are, it started with to teach people something, I don’t know why I can’t remember that. What did you say?

Erik:  To teach people who they really are.

Elisa:  Yeah, I think that was it. Yeah.

Michelle:  I don’t know if this is something, maybe you had a conversation with him.

Elisa:  Yeah, I did right in front of the garage in the driveway.

Michelle: Oh, so you actually did! Because he’s showing me a visual of you two actually talking.

Elisa: Yeah.

Michelle:  Like face to face.

Elisa:  Yeah.

Michelle:  Okay. He was just saying that he was like I don’t know who I am or what I want to do doesn’t mean anything.

Elisa:  Oh yeah.

Michelle:  Is what he’s saying, so like he’s showing me as if this was what he was saying in response to you.

Elisa:  Okay.

Michelle:  And just feeling, he didn’t feel like anything that he had was sticking, if that makes sense.

Elisa: And it seems like he also said to teach people just to be maybe I don’t know.  He said so much after his death, that I’m getting confused.

Michelle:  Yeah, yeah.

Erik: I didn’t feel that I could be completely who I was.

Elisa:  Yeah.

Michelle:  That was being held down.

Elisa:  A lot of people feel like that. Yeah, a lot.

Erik:  That’s right, and what we’re awakening to, is not just awakening to the fact that oh okay there is more out here and yes, we do survive physical body but to understand that you’re there right now and you can actually do something about your lives, if you don’t like it. If there is something going on in your life, maybe you can control everything and everybody else’s decisions but there is something that you can do, there is always something that you can do.

Elisa:  Yeah, even if it’s just shifting perspective, like realizing that you can take responsibility for other people’s baggage, you can only take responsibility for your reaction to their baggage, I guess. Now I asked, when I talked about empaths, I asked what kind of symptoms, it was like anxiety, depression, just little things, what kind of, I don’t want to say negative symptoms, but what kind of signs. Are they any signs in the teacher? I’ve heard before that you said that sometimes teachers, sometimes lonely people are teachers because students come in and out of their lives.

Michelle:  Yes, Erik’s pointing to me. He’s just saying you can tell her Michelle. I was, or I am such an empath, and was so out of control sensitive, we’ll say, I didn’t understand my emotions and Erik is just saying that anxiety can feel in many different ways, it can come out in an excitement.

Elisa:  Yeah.

Michelle: It can come out in fear, and often fear, it’s that unknown excitement, I don’t know why I feel this way.

Elisa:  Yeah,

Michelle: Or trying to attach it to something physical.

Erik:  So, somebody who feels deeply, often you can see this in children, when they don’t want to go to certain places and a parent should look at a physical situation but when a child’s denying wanting to go somewhere there’s a lot of different factors to look at. The children right now.

Michelle:  He’s sighting 2012 being like a real point of very clear, open children, very, very empathic children that are being born.

Erik:  Really pay attention the energy, the people, the situations and again this is something else to get into about children and what not but that helping children understand that there’s things that they can do within their control because a lot of empathic people when their not in awareness of who they are or what they’re able to do because it’s a lot of perspective flipping, it’s a lot of understanding how your physiology works, it feels very out of control and chaotic.

Michelle:  He’s just saying a lot of empaths were diagnosed with ADD.

Elisa: True.

Michelle: And not doing very well in school, I would be one of them. Not being able to concentrate for very long but yet.

Elisa:  Yeah because all this energy is coming at you, coming at you and you don’t know how to process it. Same thing with my grand-daughter Arlene, she has a terrible time in school because of it.

Michelle: And super intelligent, you know.

Erik:  The thing is, these are very, very intelligent people and sometimes their just so sensitive that there’s just too much going on, in one place.

Michelle:  My daughter in high school just got, I went into the school and just overhauled her whole schedule because it’s too much and now we’re going through her course because she’s in a small space and she’s able to do it in her own time.

Erik: There’s a lot of things that now, with the awareness and how this is growing, that it’s really going to help the empaths, but recognizing that you’re an empath the biggest things would be that you feel. You feel all of your own shit and you feel everybody else’s shit too.

Elisa:  Yeah, but I hear, you can make anxiety your friend, you can actually perceive it as not just something fear based but it’s basically, it can be you just being a higher vibration, like mediums are channelling they go to this higher vibration and so that is not necessarily a bad thing but what about teachers? Do some of them feel lonely because people just come to the light and the leave when they’ve got their lessons.

Erik:  Yes, that can be it. A lot of times if you’ve got a spiritual teacher, they are also ascending on their own path.

Elisa: I’m talking about spiritual teachers right now, yeah.

Erik:  And so, as they ascend on their own path, if you can imagine it as looking at vibrations, and not looking at vibrations as a higher, an expanded vibration rather than looking at it as up or down because it looks higher or lower. As the spiritual teacher is on their own path, a student is there for a period of time to receive what that teacher has to offer at that right divine time and that teacher is also expanding and their vibrations then change.

Elisa: Okay.

Erik: So, then they’re, then attracted to this new vibration of where they’re at to be able to take in all the opportunities of learning that they have there and then they expand again. So, a teacher would be doing, especially a spiritual teacher would become aware of that, it’s like a pattern.

Elisa: Okay, well what about, can that the cause of some divorces, like one of the spouses is a student, ones a teacher and all right the contract’s over, I’ve learned what you were supposed to teach me and now it’s time to go on.

Erik: So, that’s exactly what it is. When you have two consciously aware people that are very aware that their following a spiritual path, that can settle out a lot easier.

Elisa:  Oh yeah.

Erik: Than it needs to be because they’re very aware that that time has come, that they’re separating. There are divorce ceremonies that some are having now, that is like our contract is over, thank you for helping me learn.

Elisa:  That’s cool.

Erik:  That’s a really positive way of looking at changing the energy from ending a marriage.

Elisa:  Yeah.

Erik:  Where it kind of becomes a bit of trouble is where we get into these patterns and there’s co-dependency.

Elisa:  Oh yeah.

Erik:  In the relationship, so then they still have some work to do on themselves, but the contract is over and their looking at getting their validation from this relationship. So, neither of them want to leave, so that can make where these situations get very difficult because things will eventually, when your contract’s over and its not for your highest good, especially with the energy right now, it can make your noise a little bigger.

 

Elisa:  How can you find out? How do you find out if your contract is over?

Erik: First of all, you have to be very honest with yourself.

Elisa: Oh yeah.

Erik: You have to be very honest with yourself. When you are in a marriage and this is a spiritual contract and this contract has ended there will be a lot coming up that will just feel like band aids. So right now, a person would recognize this by their vibration would be changing, so their interests are changing, and that other person is not changing with them and has no desire to do so.

Elisa:  Okay.

Erik: It’s a lot of awareness, a lot of really getting honest with yourself to be able to say okay I need to look at this. Once you get honest with yourself then you have to answer the big questions and say, am I ready to be alone, because you won’t grow unless you can make that choice. So you could sit in that cycle, because it is your choice to sit in that cycle as long as you want but if you have somewhere that you need to be or if you’re meant to further on your path to be part of what you have contracted to do and say you have something that is necessary, things will blow up in your face a little bit until you make the choice to go elsewhere.

Elisa: Of course you can get regressed to between lives planning stage prior to this incarnation and find out what the spiritual contract was or could they book a session with you and the guides could come through or Erik come through and say yeah you guys were here to learn blah blah blah and it’s over or no you still got, can you do that or is that cheating?

Michelle: No, Erik and I do this quite a bit, often somebody will come.

Erik: Often somebody will already know in their heart, they’ll already know in their mind this is done.

Elisa: Oh yeah.

Erik:  We’re not talking to somebody that’s going to have a big shock.

Elisa: Yeah.

Erik: Because it’s not going resonate with you if it’s not true.

Elisa: Right.

Erik: So, when you’re coming and saying is this a contract, like is this just done? Am I meant to, I’m banging my head against the wall and I’ve been doing it for 2 years and he/she is not changing. Pretty much all of the time it’s a well what you’ve been doing hasn’t been working so it’s time to do something new.

Elisa: What percent of divorce, oh sorry.

Michelle: He’s just saying that means stepping up boundaries and being very clear on what you want and what you don’t want and if that person’s not able to make those changes then you’re not going to grow in that situation.

Elisa: Okay, what percentage of divorces are because spiritual contracts are over?

Michelle: Okay, so he’s showing me on a pie, so would that be like 70?

Erik: Over half.

Elisa: Okay, over half.

Erik: Over half, because even through there’s free will most marriages and unions, let’s just take marriage out of it, just the union of partnering with somebody because really that is what it is, most of those unions are to mirror each other and to be able to grow within a relationship. When somebody says well I’ve had 5 marriages, and I just keep going the next one to the next one to the next one, a lot of the times the problem is with that person who is not taking responsibility for whatever they need to do in the relationship or what they’re not seeing about themselves, so they’re ending this marriage to start to go into that honeymoon phase, where everything is really nice until the real stuff starts to come out and then carries on.

Elisa: Okay.

Erik: To effectively have a relationship with another person in that type of relationship we could refer to this as a twin flame or a soul mate type relationship, not all of those relationships are meant to stay together for the entirety of this incarnation.

Elisa: Oh okay.

Erik: So, you know you’ve got a soul that loves you a great deal and is going to come together for you and sacrifice being a real jerk to get you to do what you need to do to be able to go forward on your life path.

Elisa: Okay.

Erik: That’s a really good way of looking at it, to be able to spiritually look at it and just kind of pull yourself away from it being he said, she said type of stuff.

Elisa: Yeah, okay. So, both can be teachers, and both can be students in a relationship, too right?

Erik: Yes, it often does go back and forth. People that are spiritually evolving together and a lot of soul mate relationships, it’s not easy because it takes a lot of getting real with yourself and being able to gulp some pride.

Elisa: Oh, that’s hard.

Erik: It is a lot.

Elisa: Raise 5 kids and your ego is gone. Gone, gone, gone. What about you have estranged parents, estranged children is that sometimes because the contract is done?

Erik: Yes.

Elisa: Okay.

Erik: You know whether the contract to be through death or be through estrangement. Parents and children, it’s all titles, they’re still relationships.

Elisa: I really think that people, if that happens, they ought to find out from the guides or whatever what the contract was.

Erik: Yes, you can find out these things, sometimes though people will want to take control of a situation, understand everything a certain way right now, right now, it’s not always meant to be that way. There needs to be patience and you would be told that if there’s something that you’re not meant to know right now that’s usually there’s a reason why they’ll be happy to share it with you.

Elisa: Now last question and the we’re going to stop the recording and maybe just try to talk about healers, just briefly. Can an animal and children be your teacher?

Erik:  Yes.

Elisa: Oh, I figured it. Anything else you want to say about being a teacher Erik?

Erik: A lot of people right now who are on the ascension path and really wanting to go into their life’s work or they feel this desire to want to share information, that starts right in your home, in your own community, I’m not saying this in a preachy way, this isn’t about everybody joining a club or a certain type of religion, this is sharing who we really are and what awareness is available to everyone, never feel you need to push this information on anybody. Trust and have faith because those that are ready to hear what you have to say will come to you.

Elisa: Right.

Erik:  And they come in opportunities in your home, opportunities sitting on a bus bench or where ever you are. You’re a teacher in what you do every day and as you do that, if your desire is to go out and spread it a little bit more, then put your intentions into that and the things is learn to speak up and to share and have confidence in what you’re sharing about.

Elisa: Okay, thank you Michelle, thank you Erik. You guys check out Michelle at thehealingh-art.com.

Michelle: Yay, you did it!

Elisa: Yay, all right, and I’ll get it the next time too. I’m going to stop the recording then I’m going to restart it and we’ll talk about healers.

Have a wonderful weekend! Love you all!