Panel Discussion on Suicide with Robin Williams, Sigmund Freud and Erik

I’m so excited to present the first of our twice monthly panel discussions with moi as host, Veronica as the medium, Tracy Zboril and Cara Hewett, the wonderful Soul Happy creators, one or two experts on the subject from the afterlife and Erik, of course. As you can see by the title, today’s subject is suicide. Future subjects might include, for example, quantum physics, black holes, etc. with Einstein and Carl Sagan. The possibilities are endless!

But before we go on, I want to share that I had such a lovely time traveling abroad with Rune and Lukas. It was magical, and I hope to travel somewhere (other than going to Norway to visit relatives) every 2-3 years. There is so much world I haven’t seen!

During the trip, I had an epiphany. Because of blog related work, I’ve been missing out on a lot of quality time with my family. It’s not so much the sessions, converting them into iMovies and YouTubes, posting them, etc., it’s the administrative duties that suck up a lot of my time. I get a ton of emails and Facebook private messages, for example, and these usually take 4 hours of my time every day to answer. And I answer all of them. I like doing so, but now it’s become impossible to keep up with. My husband fusses at me all the time for answering them while we’re driving, at the table during our date night, etc., but I tell him if I don’t keep on top of them, I’ll be overwhelmed. Many have suggested I hire an assistant, but I can’t afford that. Plus, I do want to continue to have personal communication with all of you. That said, I think I’ve come up with a compromise that will, at least, cut out the correspondences that are unnecessary. See what you think:

  1. No more topic suggestions unless I call out for them. I have a long list of subjects in queue, and when I start to run out of them, I’ll post a request for suggestions.
  2. Along the same lines, please don’t send me suggestions for interviewing a celebrity. I have a list of almost 400. If you like, you can hire a medium and conduct the interview yourself. I’ll be happy to help you come up with questions and make it into a YouTube for you.
  3. Please don’t send me YouTubes to watch. I just don’t have the time.
  4. Please don’t send me things to forward on Facebook.
  5. Please don’t ask if I’ve covered a particular topic or interviewed a particular notable figure without searching the blog first. Two days before I left for my trip, I received three emails asking if I had interviewed Princess Diana, something that could have been resolved by typing her name in the search bar or looking through the “Categories” dropdown menu on the righthand sidebar of the homepage. You have to scroll down to see it.
  6. Many of you email or PM me asking for names of mediums. Rather than do that, please go to the “favorites” tab at the top of the homepage, click on the “Links” page, and there you will find those I have vetted and have confidence in.
  7. If you do email me, please keep it short. I get a lot of emails every day that start out with, “I know how busy you are but…” followed by a three-pager. LOL

I hope this makes sense and that you understand. If, in spite of this, I still get overloaded, know that I will have to pick and choose which emails and messages to answer. I do like answering them and enjoy my personal connection with you guys, my other family, but it just has to be within reason.

Now for the main event:

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Here’s the text version!

Elisa: Welcome everybody to the Channelling Erik panel. This is the first of hopefully many discussions we’re going to have that have to do with Science, Spirituality and everything in between and we have a lot of wonderful guests, there will be some new guests every time but the regulars as follows: Me, your host, Mommy of Erik Medhus, the spirit guide and rascal on the other side of the veil. We have our wonderful medium, spiritual arts teacher etc., Veronica Drake, Hi Veronica!

Veronica: Hi Hi!

Elisa: And we have Tracy and Cara, the Soul Happy technique girls, both psychotherapists and both very knowledgeable about the neuropsychology behind the Spiritual and beyond, so would each of you guys like to tell a little bit about what you bring to the table and then we will unveil our topic of the day!

Veronica: So, I will bring everybody Spiritually that needs to come over. How is that for simple?

Elisa: That sounds awesome, and Erik will help drag them kicking and screaming to the table.

Veronica: Tracy, what do you got?

Tracy: So, we’re going to bring, I’m going to help bring just some of the psychology behind human behaviour with whatever topic we’re talking about and I’m hoping to hear, you know, from the spirits beyond the real deal, behind, if even where we’re going with psychology is even correct.

Elisa: Good idea and what about you Cara?

Cara: Same as Tracy, we bring the psychotherapeutic realm into this conversation in hopes that we can impart some knowledge and clarity and things like that.

Elisa: Wait, wait, wait! I thought you were going to bring the brownies! The refreshments.


Veronica: I’ve got coffee!

Elisa: I’ve got iced tea.

Tracy: I’ve got water. Just plain water, anybody got wine?

Elisa: Yeah.

Veronica: It’s too early here on the East Coast.

Elisa: Okay, so today’s topic, drum roll please, is, Suicide and Mental Illness. I think this is very appropriate considering that mental illness plagued Erik and many people on the blog and all over the world, and there’s been such a huge increase in the number of suicides, I think it’s like 25% in what? Cara, Tracy do you know, like in the last year? 5 years?

Cara: Don’t statistics, but I can tell you, I just met with a group of counsellors recently who let me know, they are seeing unprecedented amounts of suicides, you know, parents coming forth needing counselling and just had no idea that this many people were out there, it’s unprecedented in their careers. So as far as statistics I wouldn’t be able to speak to that, but it’s very very prevalent right now.

Elisa: And of course, I forgot to introduce my boy Erik! Hi, Erik, I love you.

Erik: Hi Mom! I love you too! Hi, ladies!

Tracy and Cara: Hi Erik!

Elisa: He’s probably going to flirt!

Veronica: He’s going like this with his tie (adjusting his tie), he’s got a skinny little tie on that he’s shaking up like this, but he has sneakers on his feet so.

Elisa: Okay

Tracy: He dressed up for us!

Elisa: Oh, my goodness! That’s awesome! He is flirting. All right, so today with the help of Erik we’re going to bring in a couple of people. One is somebody who committed suicide themselves, Robin Williams, and the other an expert in all things psychiatric, Sigmund Freud, Dr. Sigmund Freud. So, Erik could you go get those two for us?

Erik: Robin Williams is here.

Veronica: And Robin William is, and I can attest to this, Robin Williams is a massive ball of energy in the room.

Elisa: I bet!

Veronica: Not like he was, like on Earth but he, his soul is filling, like I feel like I need to go like this (pushes arms out) because there is not enough room. Freud is kind of off in the back, he’s kind of hanging out a little bit, so that kind of indicates we’re going to start with Robin Williams.

Elisa: Okay, all right well anybody can jump in and answer any questions, I do have questions from blog members that we’ll perhaps tackle later on but you know the first question I want to ask is, why this increase in suicide, what is going on in the world? Erik, Dr. Freud, Robin?

Veronica: So, actually Freud’s going to step forward with this one

Freud: There is a major disconnect, a major shift away from what it was that settled people down and the normalcy of life. People no longer know where to turn.

Veronica: And he’s using air quotes for normal.

Freud: So, what people would see as solutions to this disconnect they no longer know how to get to those solutions and so they see one big ominous solution and that is suicide. It’s not necessarily a mental health thing, it’s more of a societal anxiety stress half to should thing.

Veronica: And I want to clarify, this is me clarifying when I hear these energies talk to me, I, they talk very practical, very simple. You’re not going to hear them, me, spew out technical terms, so if anybody’s thinking I’m going to work like that I just don’t, it’s very simple.

Elisa: Yeah.

Veronica: So, that’s why Freud, now normally, I would think Freud would sit down a much more sophisticated conversation, but I isn’t that host!

Elisa: No, we want him to dumb it down for us anyway.

Veronica: Yeah, so he’s talking about the disconnect and he’s talking about everything going to the extreme, and how everything seems magnified in the world that we live in, have to have more, have to have better.

Freud: It’s a combination of societal expectation, familial roles and expectations, and lastly you throw in a belief system. And the of course there’s the chemistry of it all.

Elisa: Yeah, the Biochemistry?

Freud: Mmm hmm.

Elisa: Okay, and of course I guess there’s a lot more anger in the world and there’s a lot more, well maybe there is a lot more fuck you types of suicide.

Freud: Well yes, people see that as a quick solution…

Robin Williams and Erik: It is not the solution! If you’re feeling you’re there, you want to go deeper into what the feeling really is.

Veronica: And Robin William is standing forward with this. The feeling never really is, I’m going to kill myself, I want to kill myself, I want to kill myself, the feeling is how do I stop hurting.

Elisa: Yeah, oh yeah.

Veronica: How do I take away the hurt, so understand what the hurt is, but also there’s a stigma with this that…

Robin Williams: A lot of people don’t want to mention this for fear that they will become labelled, and they will be looked at differently, so again there’s a societal thing at work on that end of it.

Elisa: They don’t want to mention what? Their suicidal ideation?

Veronica: Or even that they feel depressed.

Elisa: Yeah, because all of a sudden you considered flawed or vulnerable, and God forbid you should be vulnerable with your feelings and… Erik teaches us that being vulnerable with your feelings, and reaching out with your heart is a you know, very courageous thing.

Robin Williams: In the industry I was in, I was so magnified, my life was so magnified that early on, because this was life long for me, early on you don’t let anybody know because it’s a career ruiner.

Elisa: Oh yeah. That’s true, yeah. Well Erik, aren’t there some new souls coming that are more fragile, I don’t know, less grounded, I mean is there something behind this new population of souls coming in?

Erik: I want to clarify, there are new souls coming in, as in young souls immature souls that really don’t have an understanding of how to deal with the ever evolving, ever changing lifestyle that we live in, so yes, you’re right with that. But a soul that comes in and can’t handle life, that’s always been, and that’s sometimes contractual.

Elisa: Well, why don’t they just get put in a walk-in? Why do they have to kill themselves and it’s like an atom bomb, it was like an atom bomb going off in our family. Everybody changed, it was, there was just so much turmoil, and so much despair and so much pain, why not just say “Hey man, I’m done, take my place, understudy, why?

Erik: That is not actually a very common thing, to have a walk-in come in. There has to be extraordinary circumstances and I don’t want to digress from this, while it was like our family blew up, I totally get that, and I’m sorry to the high heavens. But the reality is my taking my own life, has changed the path of all of your lives and Mom, you more than anyone should know.

Elisa: Yeah, yeah.

Erik: Had I not taken my life, none of this, we wouldn’t be sitting here with these two women, you know, with Veronica, with you, with mediums doing this. And my life was not for nothing, it was to teach.

Elisa: Ok, well, it was kind of part of a spiritual contract but Robin, was your suicide part of a spiritual contract? Any of you, how common is it for it to be part of a spiritual contract?

Veronica: Ladies, do you want to answer this or do you want Robin to jump in first, whatever.

Cara: Robin, I think.

Veronica: Ok.

Robin Williams: I can only speak for myself, and myself signed up to enter a certain way and to exit a certain way and the exit it was to be tragic. So, in other words when I wrote my contract I knew that I would come into affluent way of life, where I had everything supposedly, that you

could want and I also knew coming in that I would leave in a way that would impact millions of people and would also leave a hole and a question mark in a lot of people’s minds but it wasn’t contracted that I would exit the way that I did via taking my life, it wasn’t necessarily written that way. I chose it as a human using my free will.

Elisa: Why, why what was the last straw, what was the trigger, why did you kill yourself?

Veronica: So, one of the images he’s showing me is like he has a vice on his head, it’s like he felt like there was a vice on his head, it just kept pushing and pushing and pushing. Robin Williams: Everything got harder and harder in my head and it just wouldn’t let up. Think about having a migraine from months and months and that pressure, it was a literally physical heaviness in my head, and I couldn’t stop it.

Elisa: Freud, what do you think that was about? Or Erik, or Ladies, Tracy and Cara, why, what do you think was behind that, tension headaches, I don’t know.

Tracy: Well I think he’s saying pressure, like more symbolically, right? As opposed to a true headache, I mean I know one of the things that I’ve observed through all the years in my practice is that. If you think about what is like a common denominator with people who feel suicidal, I mean other than the obvious that people are depressed, but you know not everybody that is depressed feels suicidal.

Elisa: No other solution, feeling like there’s no other solution, feeling like there’s no other way out.

Tracy: Well, I, kind of one of my observations is, this a real natural human condition that we all experience just on very different levels is that how you feel on the inside, so how you, like what your own truth is, if you kind of really get to know who you are, what you’re purpose is, what your truth is, and if that truth gets to be lived out in your life, then if you’re aligned with it, you’re in pretty good shape. But if you’re not it can cause, in fact, the word we use in our field is cognitive dissonance, the greater the dissonance between what you’re living, what you know what you’re living, and how you feel inside, I mean for instance I don’t really know anything Kate Spade and her suicide, but just to use my theory here, she built a company around a brand that was cheerful right? Bright colours.

Elisa: Yeah, yeah.

Tracy: Very whimsical, playful and even, the very little bit I knew about her public persona, she had a very sunny disposition which matched her brand. So, (inaudible) she did start feeling depressed, imagine the pressure, even more so for public figures, like Kate Spade, Robin Williams, Anthony Bourdain, imagine if she, you know, she’s got this brand based on cheerfulness and she’s feeling dark, there’s her cognitive dissonance probably got greater and greater and greater and it might have contributed. Like I said I don’t really know much about it, but you know I wonder if Robin Williams, if the pressure that he’s talking about is that, you know here’s this comedian, this brilliant comedian, who really made us laugh, laugh in like the

guffaw, you know, and as he was getting darker inside with his depression, I wonder if his own cognitive dissonance, what he was supposed to show the world you know to crack people up, and I wonder Robin what you would say to that, is there like this thing, I mean, I found that the people who are living their most authentic life, their inside kind of matches the way they are living seem to be the happiest people, and the people who are struggling the least.

Elisa: Robin?

Robin Williams: That never really happened for me. Early on, early on my life, in my career, I self medicated. I did anything I could to get away from the vice type feeling. It’s not a literal pressure of sorts, I was just giving an analogy of a constant pressure on him in life.

Veronica: He’s showing me like this, he’s doing the spiral, the bigger he got, the more he got into the drugs to keep up the largeness of who he was, the largeness of his personality and the more he swirled and swirled.

Robin Williams: I circled the drain many times.

Elisa: What do you mean by that?

Robin Williams: Until we all go down the drain and everything is gone, I kind of circled the drain, flirted on the edge of life many, many, many times. The secret side of him was the true side of me, and the true side of me…

Veronica: Tracy he’s speaking to your point about living authentically when there’s an alignment.

Robin Williams: There just never was an alignment but I would soothe it, I would soothe the disconnect with stuff, I would soothe it with my family, my children, I would soothe it with alcohol and drugs. I would soothe it with the next big deal and negotiating. I got a hard on by negotiating the big deals.

Veronica: So, it was momentarily that he would take his mind off the unhappiness. From what I’m understanding this plagued him, his entire life.

Elisa: Well, Cara, Cara what do you tell your patients or families of patients that are suicidal? I mean, how do you approach that?

Cara: You know, it’s a tough one, we as therapists, we’re not giving the complete tool chest when we get out there in practice. There are these things that you know, if you have a client that indicates any kind of signs of wanting to end their life or harming themselves then we have this duty to report and then we have these, these lines of rules that we have to follow regarding that, so it’s a very structured, very clinical (inaudible) as a therapist to approach this concept of suicide.

Erik: Red tape bullshit!

Tracy and Cara: Yeah!

Cara: You know I’ve gone to courses and I’ve actually spent weekends studying this whole, there’s people out there who study suicide, they have a term for it, I believe it’s suicidology or

Elisa: Oh yeah, mmm hmm…

Cara: Well I’ve actually, gone to weekends and studied this stuff and…

Elisa: Oh! That’s a cheerful little vacation. Whee.

Cara: Well you know us therapists, that was early on in my career when I was really gung-ho. More so than now, but you know, that one, those I remember in the end, the big take away from the experts in suicide claim, if an individual truly wants to commit suicide they will.

Elisa: Oh yeah.

Cara: And there is no therapist, no parent, there is no one, who’s going to make that difference in their life.

Elisa: God, knows I tried with Erik.

Tracy: Elisa, but you get that.

Cara: And therapists too.

Robin: I wasn’t somebody that walked around talking about it because people who mean business with it, don’t walk around and talk about it. Typically, it’s kept under wraps.

Tracy: The people who talk about it, are really looking for that, it’s still a cry for help, where, like, they’re still looking for the help and their hopeful, they actually have a little bit of hopefulness to it.

Elisa: Yeah.

Tracy: Or they wouldn’t talk about it, Elisa, did Erik talk about, he didn’t…

Elisa: No but his therapist gave, him, her cell phone number and if you ever think about it, and of course people who really want to kill themselves, they’re not going, He so and so, yeah, they’re not going to do that, they’re just not reach out for help. Freud, do you want to add anything to this?

Veronica: He’s just confirming the more silent, the more deadly.

Elisa: Silent but deadly, oh gosh, okay. Tell me a joke about this, I can see a joke on the horizon.

Veronica: You’re going to get emails. He’s advocating for us to tighten up our professional counselling standards so that we can understand what silent looks like.

Elisa: And what does it look like Dr. Freud?

Dr. Freud: If somebody goes to counselling, and there will be people that will go to counselling with the idea and the intention that they’re going to kill themselves, they’ll sit every week in the therapist’s office or every month but they won’t ever talk about it. So, the therapist, therapy in this time and in this century and this date, therapy is broken. There is something broken.

Veronica: I have chills, the hairs on my arm is standing up.

Dr. Freud: Therapy is broken, back in the day, back in the beginning of understanding what the brain was and all of that, therapy evolved but it hasn’t evolved fast enough to catch up with the decaying, declining society, and therapy…

Veronica: Girls, he’s telling me to turn it over to the psychotherapists, let them talk to this decaying and this therapy that’s not serving us, do you know what he’s talking about?

Tracy: Well, Freud is preaching to the choir, I have chills just hearing what he says because he is the father of psychology, he started it, he started, he put some structure, and a career and a

focus, to be able to study human behaviour and the mind, and you know, there wasn’t a whole lot known back then and then fast forward, I mean you know I’ve been in the field since the 80’s and I started out in traditional psychotherapy, talk therapy, so what I’m so excited about it, what I’m so curious about what he thinks about this. It kind of eroded, I don’t know why, I don’t know if it’s human ego, illusions, I don’t know what it is that interfered but it became kind of like the therapist, is going to kind of tell you what to do and you’re probably going to become pretty dependent on them because you’re going to them for advice. And that was never the intention, is that we kind of give advice, really the other thing, I’m so curious as to what Freud thinks, about is I think that is part of the decline is a real decline in traditional talk therapy, you know there’s a real barrier to success and success was very subjective, and so Cara and I are like minded souls, who just knew there had to be a better way, we just knew it in our guts. The more we started looking into things, we were shocked, at the more recent breakthroughs in neuroscience and in the brain and in brain science and the mind and we actually believe that all these years as therapists have been dealing with the wrong part of the mind. We’ve been dealing with the conscious mind, we now, our focus on the subconscious mind and we are on a mission to change psychotherapy.

Cara: Freud, you know Freud was the one who termed the term subconscious mind, so that’s almost like, like’s it’s going full circle, except that we now look at that terminology a little differently.

Elisa: Well Cara, talk about your soul happy technique, and let’s see what Freud has to, say about it.

Cara: Well, okay, so we now, what you didn’t know back then Freud was that, these, that brainwaves states are actually measurable, we have devices of course he knows all this, I’m acting like, you know, I got to catch him up to date. (laughing)

Elisa: Well he knows now.

Cara: He knows much more than we do, but we now understand that when we lower brainwave states we can access this, this term that you coined the subconscious. In this subconscious mind we’ve learned that we can program and turns out de-program certain things. That these states of mind allow for concentration, and focus and the things that we all have access to, we just didn’t know it, because, in this field of psychology, and psychotherapy have been to, Tracy’s point, focused on what is termed the conscious mind, that is the part of us that, we’re more analytical and we’re more you know on the surface.

Elisa: And manipulative and deceitful, you know, you tell your therapist everything.

Dr. Freud: Essentially, there are two people inside us, and so we are the conscious person and we are the unconscious person. I would like to see therapy is exactly what they’re saying, focus on the unconscious part of us, however, I would like to see some education around the unconscious part, nobody talks about that, and it’s really, we’ve gotten to a place where people want it quick, they want it fast. It is almost appalling, the way things look even when it comes to our mental and physical health, it’s not like we can drive thru and get a hamburger and a mental tune up, it takes work, it takes conscious effort.

Elisa: He’s really wanting us to address the two people, and he’s calling them two people inside of us, so does that mean anything girls, like how would you interpret that for what he’s saying?

Tracy: Well, I you know, so he was the one who really felt like the unconscious ran the show. Cara, how do you describe his iceberg visual?

Cara: Well, I think he, this is what, a very well-known analogy that he gives for the conscious and subconscious mind, or it’s also, the other terminology is the unconscious. Tracy and I use the word, we’ve learned a lot of this terminology is all semantics because when you talk about the unconscious mind, Tracy and I have been reminded, when you mention unconscious that reminds you of when you are going through surgery and you have anaesthesia so we just strayed away from that but other use different terminology for it.

Tracy: We use subconscious.

Cara: We use subconscious, but a lot of different people use different terminology for it but anyway, so the subconscious mind, if you can picture a large iceberg, and the top of the iceberg when you see a picture of it, it’s this very small part, that is what Freud said is the conscious mind, but underneath the iceberg it’s massive and it shows this visual of this massive iceberg underneath the ice and it is just huge, that is the subconscious mind.

Elisa: Well is there ever a goal for a person to make the gap between their subconscious and conscious mind close? Like the same as their conscious and subconscious minds are the same or?

Cara: Like anything else it’s practice and meditation, the buzz word that is used so much out there, but understanding that when you, the more you practice going into these lower frequencies and the more you access, people like Veronica probably access it very easily, she can probably access that but the rest of us we need a lot of practice.

Tracy: But also, I like his point, he’s being very specific that it’s two people inside of you, the conscious person, the conscious part of you is the person who is really just, you know, kind of intellectualizing things and analysing things and is the person who’s out there. The subconscious person or what he calls the unconscious person is really, is really the main person and is really the person running the show.

Elisa: Is it the Higher self?

Tracy: Well, it is the part of us that is programmed from all of our experiences accumulated for an entire lifetime, like I’d be curious if he agrees with, he’s really the expert now but the way I see it, and then I would love his feedback. Cara and I see it as you know, in talk therapy, everybody looks at their past memories, we look at our childhood, we look at our upbringing, we look at our relationships with the was we were raised, our relationships with our parents, and we analyze it, we try to understand it, well, we now know, where those memories are stored and their stored in the slower brainwave frequency energy and we now know that, that really all of our actions and reactions are dictated by this accumulation of this stored memories, so if we want to call it like a programmable system, like a computer hard drive in your mind, and now we’re finding out really what we can do, and there is where I think it’s so exciting is we can go in and kind of scramble up and get rid of the program.

Elisa: Get rid of the malware.

Tracy: Get rid of it and then you can reprogram it with positive winning scenarios but it’s that behemoth, the iceberg that’s under the water, that’s the part that’s running the show, that’s the part that Cara and I are trying to go directly to now, we don’t bother with that little part up above which is the conscious part, we are now focused solely on the subconscious mind and I mean Freud, I was trained in, true traditional psychoanalytic talk therapy and I’m so excited to be focusing on this whole new area and will blow my mind if you tell me we’re not on the right path. (laughing)

Veronica: You’re not on the right path, I’m kidding!

Elisa: No real quickly, this is called the soul happy technique and you know how Freud you said people were into immediate gratification? Well this is a very short program, right? Isn’t it like what six sessions or, online, everything’s online, it’s extremely inexpensive, and you can go back to it all the time.

Veronica: It’s substantial, education though, it’s not like, he used the analogy of dried through hamburger which probably isn’t healthy for us, we want it quick, this is substantial and this is cutting edge and if you want to change the behaviour you have to change one of the selves. So, it’s really looking at the unconscious self, the reason the unconscious, he’s calling it the unconscious, or at least I’m hearing unconscious.

Tracy: That is what he always called it, the unconscious.

Veronica: He calls it the unconscious self, is that people are addicted, he’s using the addiction, so he would like to that all addictions operate without the conscious self because if the conscious self were active, in an addict on any level, they wouldn’t be doing it and so it is all about reprogramming and, I almost said curing and he corrected me not curing but reprogramming and retransitioning and what I’m hearing and what is beautiful about this, this can work for all addictions.

Elisa: Oh, that is awesome! So, I feel like we’re ignoring you Robin, do you have anything to add? For one thing a lot of the blog members asked after you transitioned did you regret it? Did you feel any remorse?

Robin Williams: No, not at all. No.

Elisa: Okay.

Cara: Wouldn’t Erik know a little remorse, I’m sorry to interrupt but didn’t Erik initially…

Elisa: Fleeting, I think right Erik?

Veronica: Erik felt remorse, he felt remorse and sadness for his Mom, but the over all idea of doing did not make him feel remorse.

Elisa: Oh, yeah that’s right!

Veronica: Nor did Robin and Robin felt the same way.

Cara: Okay.

Elisa: What percentage, Freud, or Robin or Erik, of depression is not serotonin, not dopamine, not norepinephrine, but endorphin, which is very difficult to measure. Very unreliable to measure those levels because you know, people who have endorphin deficiencies are clearly autoimmune endorphin deficiency, they’re the ones that will seek opiates, they’re the ones can, that maybe are part of this whole opiate crisis.

Freud: It’s a major contributor and yet it hasn’t been looked at seriously.

Elisa: Well you know I tried to, you know, LDN (low dose naltrexone), it triples your endorphins. I have tried so hard to get this out to the government, to schools, etc., that this could be the answer for opiate, this opiate crisis.

Freud: Between 80-85%.

Elisa: Would benefit from low does naltrexone?

Freud: mmm hmmm

Elisa: So, what should we do? It saved my other son, Lucas.

Freud: Really, I mean like to Freud’s point to getting the knowledge out there, I’m the good news is Elisa, you have quite a pretty big following, thanks to Erik and you’re getting the

knowledge out there, we’ve got to spread this, you know, a big part of Cara’s and my goal with the Soul Happy Technique, is what Freud said is knowledge, spreading new information and knowledge.

Elisa: But you have to have people listen, and they don’t. Another thing I tried so hard to do and, I’ve got a petition with a whole bunch of, over a thousand signatures, that we do, and I want, Freud, Robin Williams or Erik’s view point on this, is mental health screening. First, in elementary school, then middle school, then in high school, with those latter to also including you know addiction potential etc., because people fall between the cracks, and early intervention is often very important, but again I’ve sent it all the congressmen and you know…

Veronica: Well listen, Freud wants to take you back a step.

Freud: If we’re going to eradicate or largely eliminate this problem, it really needs to be looked at in a union setting. So, if two people come together and they want to procreate, they want to have children, let it begin right there, what are you bringing to this union, and what are you bringing to this union as far as your background. We will look at people’s health, you know are you bringing any disease to this are you bringing any physical disease to this, but it’s time that we start to look at the mental health end of what you’re bringing to the relationship. That’s never going to happen because, there’s an infringement, there’s an imposition on rights, people aren’t going to want to have that.

Veronica: He’s pointing out very clearly if you have two people that come together, and one of them was diagnosed or is, and is undiagnosed and procreates, and has this person that now carries this gene and you don’t even know it’s there until this kid’s in eighth grade and he’s cutting heads of bunnies, I mean, there’s something there that could have been prevented had we done early screenings. He is an advocate for early early invasive mental screenings.

Elisa: Ah, great! Okay, we’re running out of time, so I want to go through some things very quickly. How can people who want to kill themselves, what can they do in their minds to try get themselves out of that trance and stop them from going over the edge? Robin, you can answer this if you want or anybody.

Veronica: Robin jumped in right away!

Robin Williams: You know what there’s nothing anybody could have said to me, I had everything, what you can do and what we can do.

Veronica: And he’s saying we as a panel

Robin Williams: We can educate people, on how to see the signs that most people don’t see.

Freud: Just like the unconscious is under the iceberg that’s under here, so are the signs that will give you indication your loved one isn’t settled in their skin, in who they are, and I think it was Tracy who said when you’re out of alignment. So, having conversations that look like, what do you feel you’re here for? What’s your life purpose? What does it all mean to you?

Veronica: We don’t have those conversations! And Robin Williams, and Erik and Freud are all in agreement that once we start talking on a purpose level, like you say to your five-year-old, gee, you know you’re building the blocks like that, for what purpose? What’s your goal? What do you want to do with that? Have the conversations early on, and then you introduce the concept of purpose, kids don’t know purpose until purpose is taught.

Elisa: That’s true, you know, I asked Erik, what is your purpose, here on earth when he was alive and he says “I’m here teach people how to be” and I go Whoa!

Veronica: And you know what he needed to transition into the world he’s in to teach people how to be, and your boy is teaching people how to be.

Elisa: Well, a little personal anecdote, probably a little too personal, not that long ago, I had some family drama that put me into a major, major tailspin. I was struggling so hard to be here, I was struggling so hard to fight against not ending my life and it was really fricking serious, and I thought about well what effect it would have on my kids and my husband and Oh my Gosh, so I said to myself, Oh, my God, I’ve got to get myself out of this, I’ve got to change my perspective somehow, I can’t do this. We were camping and for some reason I forgot my underwear, I don’t know I never forget my underwear so we had to go to Wal-Mart to get some underwear, so the thought that saved me, was I’ll be god-dang if I’ll be caught dead in Wal-Mart panties, there’s no fricking way! So, I got myself out of bed and you know…

Tracy: Erik made you forget your underwear that morning.

Elisa: Oh! Wal-Mart panties saved the day! So, it was really just fighting and trying to tweak your perspective can help. Now, there, a lot of people ask, what things, but before I do that let me ask, what percentage of institutionalized, psychiatric patients are actually just empaths, or channellers that hear spirits, or maybe they have a negative entity attached to them but are not mentally ill in the…

Tracy: They are not psychotic, yeah.

Elisa: Yeah, well I mean, somebody says, “you’re hearing voices?” Let’s put you in the looney bin, but they’re really just channelling. I wonder how many of those…

Freud: I’ll take a stab at it, it’s actually pretty low. 30%.

Tracy: Oh!

Elisa: That’s higher than I thought! Wow! All right now, another thing, you know, some people are suicidal because they have PTSD, I wonder if they would benefit from EMDR and what about past life regression because maybe they committed suicide at that same age in another life and it’s bleeding through, maybe energy healing helps, maybe emotional freedom technique like the tapping, between lives regression to figure out, you know what contract you made, what sort of things like that, spiritual tools, should somebody who is suicidal try?

Veronica: So, he’s calling your attention back to, you don’t know, that you are necessarily that close to the edge because it’s normal to you. He’s showing me, the image of you’re climbing up a ladder, your trying to climb out of the hole and up the ladder, but the ladder is greased and you can’t get a grasp, you can’t hold on to it and what he says about past life regressions…

Freud: It doesn’t matter, where the unconscious come from, what matters is excavating it and reprogramming it. That’s really all that matters.

Elisa: Okay. And the EMDR for PTSD?

Freud: That’s a very positive tool.

Elisa: What about energy healing?

Freud: It doesn’t hurt, you can have your energy aligned and you should, but again it’s like going to the chiropractor. You can’t just go once to the chiropractor and expect that it’s going to hold and it’s going to heal, it has to be work that’s kept on.

Veronica: But again, he’s reminding us, we’re fighting addiction, addiction to behaviour and patterns of behaviour.

Elisa: Oh, well what about between lives regression? You know some people I think are so depressed because they don’t know what their spiritual mission is, they don’t know what their

life’s purpose is, so if they go between lives to that planning stage, where the figure out what they wanted their life in the human form to look like maybe that would.

Freud: That’s possible but that can’t be the first step.

Veronica: Going back to the ladder that’s greased, you can’t get yourself up. So, if I’m hearing him correctly I’m not getting that he’s advocating for any spiritual technique necessarily, he wants it to be mindful technique, in to, he keeps using the words, ladies maybe you understand, he keeps using the work excavation.

Tracy: So, we think and then Cara you jump in, I think that what we’re trying to do is to identify the negative, the accumulated build up, we kind of refer to it as like little clusters that kind of get formed, you have a cluster of fear, a cluster of sadness, a cluster of rage, and each of these little clusters are sitting in the subconscious mind and they get triggered and you just react, and in fact people who are suicidal can get triggered and then before you know it, their suicide might have even been a compulsive reaction. So, we think of excavation, I’m curious if this is kind of a little bit of how he means it, is we try to identify those clusters, excavate them out, we use exercises that involve EMDR, some EFT, some energy work, we do exercises that kind of break up those clusters, you know excavate them, and then we, what we try to do is fill up those spaces with positive programming.

Veronica: Yes! He’s confirming that, that’s it. He’s saying to excavate it, it’s like this, he’s showing me, when you mine diamonds, you have chisel away and you have to chip away and you have to really break away all the stuff that covers it, until you can get to brilliance and the beauty of it and that’s what he’s saying is the forefront right now, where psychology and psychotherapy needs to go, it’s chiseling away at that exterior. So, I think you’re saying the same thing Tracy, it’s that stuff inside, but he’s using the analogy of chipping away and getting to the diamond, the shiny part of it, the happiness of it.

Tracy: Okay.

Cara: I would just add two things came up for me, is the accountability of the individual as they go through their lives and the other big thing I think to take away from today, is to just educate yourself, you know on all of these concepts because there is so much out there right now (inaudible), in terms of energy and understanding and there’s a terminology now called energy psychology, so it is a merge ring, it coming forth, the information is out there and for people to begin taking ownership, is I believe where this talk about suicide and this talk about mental illness, I think and mental health in general, I think that’s where this conversation needs to continue on, and of course our funding for this kind of thing, to Elisa’s point has to happen.

Elisa: Robin, would the, would any technique would any of these things have saved you?

Robin Williams: No, I was an old soul and it was time to push on.

Elisa: Okay, okay. I want to ask Freud, what is the future, what does the future look like for mental health?

Veronica: The image he showed me was a ball, a cylinder, or a circle, it looks like a ball actually but it is crystal clear, and you can actually see clearly into the brain, literally into the thought, Oh! (lauging) I get it, I get it, it’s intuitive work. It’s literally having someone work with you to look into your brain and to figure out the parts of you that are known and unknown, so it’s intuitive work, the girls, girls what you’re doing, and I wasn’t getting that, that’s literally what you’re doing right? I mean you’re looking inside.

Tracy: And a big part of what we’re doing is getting people to that place of knowingness because that earlier disconnect, that either Freud or Robin brought up, that disconnect is so magnified right now and maybe that’s why suicide is up, that disconnect, when you don’t have that knowingness, when you aren’t in touch with whatever you want to call it, in our technique we call it your core, we get you in touch with your core, so that you start to really listen, to your own knowingness, which is your own intuition, your gut feeling and you really, you really practice that and you build that up, and that knowingness will help guide you, it will help you make decisions and will also help with that alignment.

Elisa: So, that’s where the mindfulness comes in.

Veronica: Right and being transparent, that’s why he showed me the round ball that was transparent, to be transparent, to show up in life being transparent, being who you are, and this process is cutting edge in the sense that it is going to take people into therapy and he’s going therapy (air quotes) in a whole different way. We can’t keep doing what we’re doing and expect different results, you know, hello, I think it was Einstein that said that’s crazy and Freud agrees. We have to do something different, and I think the numbers speak to that, we’re losing lives every day because the same old same old shit isn’t working.

Elisa: Well are you talking about being emotionally honest with yourself and others, is that part of the transparency?

Veronica: Well you can’t be, if your life is cleaned out, and you have worked through this and you have come into alignment, think about it, Elisa we get asked all the time, or at least I get asked, how do I, when’s the world going to get better, what’s going to bring world peace? It isn’t going happen collectively, it’s going to happen one person at a time, and this therapy, this way of living, he corrects me, is going to make people more centered, more balanced, more transparent, they don’t have to show up proving anything except living on purpose and being who they are.

Elisa: That’s awesome! All right, I want to take each person and ask if they have anything else to add, of course Tracy and Cara I hope that includes sharing about where they can find out more about this soul happy technique. First of all, Dr. Freud, thank you so much for imparting so much wisdom and clarity, would you like to add anything else that might help us.

Freud: Just the fact that we’re sitting here talking like this is a beginning and this is cutting edge, and people are typically afraid of what they don’t know, so don’t be afraid, plough forward listen to something that isn’t there, meaning the higher being, and more forward with this.

Elisa: What about you Erik?

Erik: Mom, look how good you’re doing. Mom, you know if I wasn’t on this side talking to other people we wouldn’t be doing the work that we’re doing and helping the people we’re helping.

Elisa: That’s true, and I don’t have Wal-Mart panties on today, so just an FYI.

Veronica: He loves you!

Elisa: (laughs) and Robin Williams.

Robin Williams: Life really is all about laughing, life really is finding the joy that brings the belly laugh to you, but it’s also about balancing with the life that hurts and being honest about it and being able to talk about it. This work will do just that. Don’t forget to laugh but don’t laugh falsely.

Elisa: Yeah laugh on the inside too man, not just the outside. Veronica, what would you like to add to personal standpoint, anything?

Veronica: You know what I’ve been through this, my family suffered with mental illness my whole life, my mother’s schizophrenic, bipolar, and I just do, I think its time for us to have an honest dialogue and for us to get out of our own way and make tradition go away and start new.

Elisa: Good! All right, Tracy? Cara?

Tracy: I mean I guess I would say, Freud, we’ll pick up your challenge, and we’re on a mission and we are going to help, through our technique and through the information that we get out there, we’re determined to help one subconscious mind at a time.

Elisa: All right, Cara?

Cara: I think that, just what Tracy said, we at a point in our careers where we just said there’s more, there’s more not only for our field but for more for us as individuals, you know, we, she says it, that we are on a mission, we say this all the time, we are on a mission and we just want the world to be a better place.

Tracy: Maybe we’re ready to hear it, maybe like what they said, people are ready because they need it because, why is suicide up, why is this disconnect so severe, people are ready, we need this.

Elisa: Absolutely!

Tracy: Freud could help, and Robin Williams from his end and we know Erik’s doing his part.

Elisa: All right so, they can find out more about you guys through the website Or soul happy…


Elisa: That’s easy!, and Veronica, she is at How easy is that? Now, this is the first in our panel series, the next one might not be about mental illness it might be something different but we’ll probably have some sort of scientist from the other side and Erik and you know some other person, so it will be a lot of fun, hopefully inspiring, hopefully educational and oh with Erik on board, you never know it’s, it could be anything. I love you Erik. I love you ladies, thank you so much Robin, thank you Dr. Freud and until next time.

Veronica: Bye Bye

Elisa: Bye

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