Me: Okay. Now, I have two more questions; then we can get on with the interviews today. First, do vampires exist?
Erik: Like the kind that bites?
Me: Yeah.
Erik: Um, no.
Me: Okay, now let’s talk about incest. What is the spiritual basis for incest? Why does it occur? Or is it totally devoid of spiritual contract stuff, etc. and is only this shallow sickness?
Erik (chuckling): I don’t know if you wanna say shallow, because that’s some pretty fucked up shit.
Me: I know! What I said didn’t come across right. Is there something deeper behind it like past lives, etc.?
Erik: Every case is different, but yes, it can be past life driven where they were husband and wife in another life, then came in as siblings, and so they have that mutual attraction for each other. But in most cases of incest, what you’ll find is one person is driving it and the other person doesn’t want to accept it. In that case, it’s coming form a misunderstanding of affection and intimacy and love, and that’s taught through the parents. That’s when it runs deep and it’s really fucked up. Commonly, it’s more from the family side—being taught. But spiritually, do you mean what you gain—what you learn?
Me: Well, I didn’t think about that, but yeah—is that something Source wants to experience and thinks it’s okay? For instance, Freddie Mercury talked about being all-sexual.
Erik: Yeah, there is something to be gained and learned, but it’s not something that is accepted.
Me: As you said, usually one is the predator and the other is the prey, so that can’t be good for the prey.
Erik: Commonly it’s a spiritual lessons about boundaries and understanding the development of family, community and trust. These are the kind of spiritual lessons that are being tested and learned.
Me: Yeah. Okay.
Here’s part of a session the following week with Jamie:
Jamie: Hi!
Me: Hi, Jamie! How’re you doing?
Jamie (giggling): Fine. Erik showed up about thirty minutes into my last session.
Me: Ooo. Hope he didn’t make any mischief.
Jamie: No, he was so nice! He didn’t do anything. And I kept looking at him like, “C’mon. What is it? What are you going to do?”
Me (laughing): Oh God!
Jamie: And he didn’t to anything! Nothing. He’s so calm.
Me: Such a good boy!
Jamie: Oh, but he is dressed today.
Me: Oh, really?
Jamie: Like “dressed.”
Me: What, dressed to the nines?
Jamie: Yeah, he—
Me (teasing): He doesn’t usually show up naked does he?
Jamie: No! Usually he comes in jeans and a t-shirt. That’s usually how I see him, but today I see him in a jacket made up of some black shiny kind of material. I don’t see a tie or anything, but he does have on a dress shirt and dress pants.
Me: Wow! Spiffy! You must have a hot date tonight, Erik!
We all laugh.
Jamie (alarmed): Do you hear all those voices on the phone?
Me: No, I don’t hear anything.
Jamie: Hello? Hello? (pause) Oh God, once I said hello they all went away.
(Pause)
Jamie (in a motherly warning tone): Erik? Don’t mess with the phone.
Me: Oh please no! You little sneakster!
Jamie: He did that really bad with his dad. He kept hanging us up, and we had such a hard time getting back in touch with each other!
Me: Oh, yeah. I remember that! And that was Rune’s first session with you!
Jamie (laughing): I know!
Me: Okay, let’s get down to the questions, I guess. Erik, I’ve asked this before, but let’s see if you have any more to say. What is the spiritual basis for obesity?
Erik: Spiritual? That’s totally a human battle. You know what, we have zero obesity here.
Me: No, I mean what is the reason, uh, you know…(I’m struggling to explain, and Erik sits back enjoying my squirming immensely. Then he lets me off the hook. Tag and release.
Erik (laughing): I get it! I get it! I’m just playing! I just thought I’d ride your horse.
Me (chuckling): Okay, smart ass!
Erik: The spiritual lesson for coming in—remember Mom, you gotta break it down. Are they obese cuz they have a thyroid issue, cuz of digestive problems, or are they putting food in their face in place of emotions for things they can’t handle?
Me (laughing): No, I don’t need a medical discourse on the causes for obesity.
Erik: Really—
Jamie (to Erik): Dude! (pause) Okay, okay!
Erik: The people who put food in their mouths in place of emotions—
Jamie hesitates to channel what Erik says, but finally gives in:
Jamie: Fine.
Erik: They’re sissies.
(Pause)
Jamie: Hold on. I’m having a bit of a battle with him.
(Pause)
Jamie (to Erik): Yes, show them. Okay, fine!
Jamie (to me): I’m going to say exactly what he saying word for word.
Erik: They’re sissies. They’re not strong enough to commit suicide, so they’re just slowly killing themselves. That’s in addition to the reasons I shared with you the other day.
Me: Oh my gosh.
Erik: Those are people who just wish they were dead. It is a way of choking—you know how you can just choke something out?
Me: Oh yeah, yeah.
Erik: It’s like a slow choking mechanism. There’s one more. I forgot to talk about this. There are people who come in and never get grounded to their own bodies.
Me: Oh, yeah.
Erik: Those are usually those aliens who come down to earth from other stars. They get here, and it’s just so fucking out of their norm that they don’t want to take care of the body; they don’t know how to do it. They’re frustrated with the physical. They’re not grounded at all. It’s not an emotional thing, you know. It’s completely not liking the physical body whatsoever. And then they destroy it by over-feeding it or—let’s look at the other extreme—not feeding it at all.
Me: Ah, like anorexia nervosa?
Erik: Yep.
The beginning of the sad days
