The Afterlife Interview with Howard Hughes, Part One

Poor Kristina is so sleep deprived. Little Harper Lee kept her awake from 2:30 AM yesterday, so she called me in a quasi panic to come watch the baby so she could get some much needed sleep. Unfortunately, my car is in the shop so she had to pick me up. I heard her honk in front of the house and saw her backing up a short distance, then going forward a short distance over and over. When I got in, she said, “I can’t stop the car or she’ll start crying!” It’s funny because the same thing happened to Rune and me with Kristina. She had terrible colic and we had to take many middle-of-the-night car rides to calm her down. And to think we had five! Along those same lines, I love this video!

Here’s is Part One of our Howard Hughes interview series graciously transcribed by Leah H. Thank you, Leah!!!

Emma: Hello again!

Me: Hello again. Well that was kind of a long session. We just had a session on dreams. So I think that instead of doing it on chemicals, personal care products and food, we’ll leave that for a future session.  Let’s just see if we can talk to Howard Hughes. A lot of people wanted us to bring him forward for a little chat.

Emma: Okay.

Me: What do you think?

Emma: Well, I’ve always known him to be an interesting person. So, let’s see what he has to say.

Me: Can you go fetch, Erik?

Erik: I got it mama!

Me: I know you do.

Erik: He’s as crazy as I am!

Me: Oh no! It couldn’t be! No! (laughing.)

Emma: Okay. He’s saying hello. (giggles)

Me: Hello, Mr. Hughes. How are you doing? How is your afterlife going?

HH: Good.

Me: Well, thank you so much for agreeing to let us learn little bit about you,  and the spiritual wisdom that you have surely gained from your life, and your afterlife. Can you start out by telling us a little bit about your childhood and your relationship with your parents? I don’t know very much. I know some things about you, but all that much.

HH: Well, let’s just say when it comes to my childhood, my childhood really shaped my entire life. Let’s just say that I was very adored by my mother. She had a lot of fears, a lot of anxieties herself, and she really would put those upon me. She really was the key factor to my OCD, and my schizophrenia, and all of that later on.

Me: Wait, wait, wait.  Did she have OCD and schizophrenia?

HH: She did.

Me: So, maybe it was a genetic thing that happened?

HH: Let’s just say that I was sensitive for it, but the way that she raised me, really settled me into it.

Me: So, maybe it activated the gene.

HH: Yeah, it activated it. I was sensitive for it, but if I’d had a normal upbringing, then, I think there might have been a different future for me. There might have been a different life for me. However, the relationship between my mom and my dad was not really that present. They were always separated; they were always doing things on their own, so Mom really focused on me as the man of the house, even from a very young age, and it even went to a point where sexual behavior was introduced by my mother, as a very young child.

Me: How old?

HH: I was four.

Me: Okay.

HH: That’s when the touching and everything started. It was at a very young age. Now, my mom also had OCD, and she was terrified of bacteria. She was terrified of dust. She was terrified of illnesses. So she would really put me in a bubble. She would really protect me. She was terrified that something would happen to me, because I was the only person really present in her life. So she would stop me from having friends; she would stop me from going out; she would stop me from going to camp, and so, as I grew up, she introduced those ideas and those thoughts about the bacteria. We didn’t have the bacteria in us; it was always someone else. It came from outside of us. So that’s how I grew up, with those ideas, those twisted ideas what the outside world was really about. And it even came to a point where I was a very insecure child. I did have to go to school. But I wouldn’t make any friends. I was just a loner. I would always just go in my own little bubble, in my own little world. My dad was always away; he was always away.

Me: Why?

HH: For work. He was always trying to succeed, businesswise, and so he was always connecting to people, trying to get new ideas out.  I never saw my dad, or not as much as I would have liked to. I even got to a point where I shut down completely. And doctors would look… I would be completely paralyzed. The doctors would do research, and they couldn’t find anything wrong with me. But I couldn’t move. I was paralyzed.

Me: Wow!

HH: Now, it had nothing to do with my body, it was completely 100% psychological. It also had a purpose, because I wanted my dad to come back to us. I wanted my dad to be around, and it did! It worked! My dad stayed with us, for a while, and then I just suddenly got better. So it got to that point where whenever stress or whenever discomfort arose in me, I would step away, and it’s like I would stop existing, and, it started at that moment when I was a child.

Me: Did you go out of body? Was it like an out of body experience?

HH: No, no, it was fully a mental decision. It had nothing to do with leaving my body. I was fully present in that moment. It was just a way for me to get attention. When I look back, in some way or form, it’s like you don’t want to participate in the place that you’re in right now, so you just kind of shut down.

Me: Yeah, because it’s painful. Well, your parents died fairly young, from what I understand.  What effect did that have on you, that they died so relatively young?

HH: Yes, my mom died when I was 16, during a surgery. So again, that disease, doctors, and your mother dies, on top of the sick, twisted idea that we have about germs and doctors and all of that didn’t really help. And then three years later my father passed away. So I was very young. I was about 18 when they passed away, but by that time my mind had already been shaped by my mother’s doing in such an intense way that even their death. My mother’s death affected me, but my father’s death did not affect me so much. And I wanted to become independent, and I wanted to really take control of my life, because, don’t forget, my whole life, my mother was in control of it. She made the decisions for me. I wasn’t allowed to do this, that. Everything was controlled by her thinking, by her doing. And so when they passed away, in some way or form I felt relief. I felt a freedom in it, because I was now finally able to make the decisions myself, and so I did go for the company of my father, the company that my father had started, which was successful.

Me: Wait, I’m sorry to interrupt. What did your father die of?

Emma: He’s saying natural causes.

Me: Okay. Sorry, go ahead. So you went to work at your father’s company…

HH: Yes, I became the owner of it. It was actually in the hands of an uncle of mine, because I wasn’t 21 yet, I wasn’t supposed to have it yet. But I went to court, and I fought it, and I won. So, for me that was my first victory in becoming an independent. So that felt really good, and it also gave me a boost that I am in control. I am in control.

Me: You know, it’s really weird because most people who are coddled that much, and protected from the world, have this learned helplessness, and they are incapable of functioning as an adult in the world, but you remained self empowered. What the heck?

HH: Now, I did look up to my father, who was very independent and very, very strong, and very sturdy and everything. So I got the strength and the independence from him, but then I got the phobias and everything else from my mom. So it was a really nice blend, (laughing) of positive and negative aspects of myself. So, that’s what my childhood was about.  It was a very controlling, a very twisted view and upbringing of what the world is like, and what is the truth about things.

Me: Did you have a father figure? A healthy father figure?

HH: He was healthy, however the problem was that he wasn’t around a lot.

Me: Okay, so you didn’t have another father figure that was more part of your life.

HH: Never.

Me: Okay. Now, you took flying lessons at the age of 14. Why did you decide to do that? Or did somebody just encourage you to do it?

HH: I’ve always been very interested in mechanics. So was my dad, my father. That really came from my dad’s side. It was all about mechanics. It was all about construction of machines. So the thought of flying, it gave me a sense of freedom away from my mother, but it also gave me a sense of being in control of something that is bigger than me.

Me: Wow! Interesting! Okay, so you developed many aircraft. What was your favorite, and why?

HH: (smiling) I don’t really have a favorite. I enjoyed making all of them. But the one that I am proud of is, I don’t know which one or what it’s called, but he calls it the biggest airplane ever built.

Me: Was it the Spruce Goose?

HH: Yes.

Me: Why? I mean, why did you build that? I mean, did you consider it a failure? I think it lifted off the ground and just went for a very short spin, and then came down again.

HH: Because nobody said it was possible to get that thing off the ground. (Laughs)

Me: Yeah, everybody said it wasn’t possible.

HH: Whenever somebody told me it’s not possible, you can’t do it, then I would do it.

Me: Well, so do you really consider it a success?

HH: It went off the ground didn’t it? (Laughing)

Me: Yeah, but what does that do to further aviation? Did it give you, or anybody else information on how to develop other aircraft in a better way?

HH: Yes, let me explain the reason why I am proud of it. Because the materials that were used, and the way that it was built really gave new ideas on how to make the airplanes lighter, on how to make them more efficient, and so from this model, let’s just say that what you guys, your public…

Emma: (confused) What? He just goes all over the place.

Me: Sounds like Erik!

Emma: Yeah, he’s pacing around. He’s very pacey.

Emma: Public airlines is what he’s calling it.

Me: Oh, okay!

Emma: I think he’s trying to say that it really changed the way that the airplanes were built.

Me: Well good! Because that’s huge!

HH: The planes are a lot lighter, so we can also transport a lot more products, because before, all we could do was transport the people, and the airplane was just light enough to go off. But now we are transporting postal stuff and, there are loads and loads of stuff that’s being put into every commercial airliner, with the people, and that is the lightness and the way that they’re built. I had a big part in that.

Me: Awesome. Why did you call it the Spruce Goose?

HH: It wasn’t really me he called that. It was a combination of our team. We just came up with a name. It doesn’t really matter.

Me: Okay.

HH: Well because when you look at geese, they’re pretty heavy. So when they have to lift off, they have to (Emma makes weird noises like a goose and does some weird gestures with her hands.) And they try to get up. Just that. It really didn’t have that much meaning.

Me: Okay.

HH: The way it goes up…. the way it goes up.

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