When I was a kid, I loved watching the TV show, “I Love Lucy.” She was so funny and the chemistry between her and Ethel and her and Desi was very special. One of the most memorable segments was when Ethel and she worked at an assembly plant of a candy factory. 

Me: Erik, can you see if you can get Lucille Ball? She was so funny! From what I here she was a brilliant businesswoman too.

Erik: We’ll find out.

Jamie: He’s gone. I think he’s going to get her.

Me: Okay.

Jamie: Lucille, uh, Lucy is here.

Me: Okay. Hello Lucille. How are you?

Lucy: Wonderful, thank you.

Me: What does she look like? What age?

Jamie: Older than her I Love Lucy Show, but her hair is more blonde brown than strawberry.

Me: Oh, really?

Jamie: Yeah, I guess I imagined it to be bright red.

Me: Lucy is that your natural color?

Lucy: Auburn, yes it is.

Me: Okay. Did Erik tell you, on the way back, what this was all about?

Lucy: No, I’m coming in cold. I think it’s better to do interviews that way.

Me: Oh, okay! Well, we’re trying to interview celebrities like you for spiritual insight—in a non-voyeuristic way. We just want your spiritual perspective of life and the world so we can learn. Is that okay with you?

Jamie: She’s smiling brightly. She does have red, red lipstick on.

Me: All right. The first question is what was your spiritual mission here on the earthly plane?

Jamie: Her chin is a little up. She’s kind of looking out. She’s joking that she didn’t know that she had a mission. She doesn’t quite know how to respond to it. As a child she didn’t really feel that she had a mission to complete.

Lucy: When I was around 13-14, I knew that I was greater than the family I was in. That was the first time I felt passion and drive. I had to grow up and beyond the family to give to it. I feel I was successful at that, but I wish I had been wiser at a young age to recognize what my family was trying to do with what was helpful and healthy. But you know how it goes with being a teenager. You know everything and your parents don’t.

Me: Of course. I’m dealing with those teenagers as we speak.

Jamie laughs.

Lucy: If I had to label a mission, it was to prove myself—to prove myself not just to my family but to my loved ones, the world—that was a very, very common thread. I think that’s what mostly powered my life.

Me: Okay. Well, mission accomplished as far as I’m concerned.

Lucy: Thank you.

Jamie: She was talking about all the different careers she went for, and she was saying not that she was a dinosaur but back then life was very different and there were not very many roles for a woman to take.

Lucy: That’s why I felt it was extremely important throughout my career that I stayed in control. That’s what turned into my business, my production company.

Me: It was very unusual; it still is, for a celebrity to hold onto their money. So many of them crash and burn and end up broke, but you did quite well and held onto your wealth so kudos to you.

Lucy: Thank you. You know I held onto my wealth, but I looked in retrospect and saw that my focus was so strongly on that, what else could my focus have been on?

Jamie: I’m interrupting. The way she’s able to talk, she analyzes really well. She’s a very critical thinker, very critical because she was talking about being so focused on the company and business that she kind of let her marriage go.

Me: Aw, okay. Well, I’m sure it takes two to tango.

Lucy: Thank you for that. Yes it does.

Me: Were you here to learn anything?

(Long Pause)

Jamie: She’s quiet. Hold on. And she looks up when she’s thinking.

Lucy: I would have answered discipline, but I really feel I learned it as I moved away from it.

Me: What do you mean by “moved away from it”? Did you become undisciplined, or did you become disciplined and move on to something else?

Lucy: I went on to something else.

Me: Okay.

(Pause)

Jamie: She doesn’t mind pauses, you know, like totally quiet, not feeling the pressure.

Lucy: I loved to go back and overlook my choices and what I’ve done. It’s very enlightening. (to me) You will enjoy doing the same thing.

Me: Oh yes.

Jamie: Oh, I forgot the question. Sorry. What were we talking about?

Me: What were you here to learn?

Lucy: I’m going to stick with discipline.

Me: Okay. Were you here to teach anything?

Lucy: That women are not just part of a man’s rib. We are independent, on our own.

Me: You sure taught that well.

Jamie: Oh, yeah. She’s really proud of that one!

Me: That’s a huge deal especially for that day. I used to watch her shows all the time.

Lucy: I had a really great time making them. Thank you.

Me: Do you think you accomplished all that you were here to do?

(Long pause)

Lucy: Yes.

Me: Did you have to think about that one?

Lucy: Yes, well I always think that I can do more. I have to turn that off and really look at ‘what did I do?’

Me: Did you come in with that trait of wanting to be disciplined and wanting to have this drive or was there something about your upbringing that stoked that fire in your belly, that desire to achieve, so to speak?

Lucy: I think I was born with it, but my mother definitely stoked it.

Me: In what way?

Lucy: In a controlling way that you, as a mother, probably should not do to your child.

Me: Okay. When you crossed over, did you gain any new insights?

(Long pause)

Jamie (laughing): She’s joking and counting them out on her fingers.

Lucy: I gained quite a few insights. One is that I could stop pushing myself. That was very much a human attribute. I thought it was a spiritual attribute when I was on Earth, so that was an awakening!

Me: Mm. It must have been a relief!

Lucy: In many ways.

Jamie (giggling): She gives me an image of lemonade in a pool. Wait. Lying in a pool floating in a pool with lemonade. A relief. That’s a relief for her.

Me: Any other insights?

Jamie: It’s weird. It can go so quiet with her.

Me: I would not expect that!

Jamie: No, I would have thought she’d be just nonstop energy.

Me: I guess she got all of her talking out of her system! Okay. What was the life that most influenced your one as Lucille Ball?

Jamie: She’s showing me an image of her as a Caucasian female child. She looks like a doll. She’s probably about 4 years old, but her hair is really thick and curly and it’s long; it’s in ringlets, and that’s what makes her looks like a doll. Aw, she’s got cowboy boots on. She’s got on a skirt, but underneath—aw, she just wanted to be a boy. She wanted to be a cowboy.

Lucy: My mom had made me some pants, and I loved the idea of looking like a boy but I had this hair. I hated my hair, but my mother would not cut it. My mother wanted me to be a lady. You know, she knew I would grow up to be very pretty, but I wanted to have the freedom that the men had. I wanted to go out and look for things to do. I would always sit out and dream about getting on my horse and going out and exploring the land, but as women we didn’t do that, and sometimes I would put my dress on and put my pants on underneath like oooo!

Me: Oh boy! Taking a big risk for a little girl!

Lucy: I needed to play out that power. I needed to play out that position of being a woman but being as strong as a man.

Me: Exactly.

Lucy: And this is where I got it.

Me: That makes perfect sense.

Jamie: It’s sad. She played out the life. I think she was about 8 or 9, and she was messing around with her daddy’s guns—

Me: Oh, no!

Jamie: –and accidentally shot herself.

Me: That’s too bad.

Of course this is the last thing I want to hear given the death of my son.

Me: Are you reincarnated here on the earthly plane, Ms. Ball?

Lucy: No.

Me: Okay. Do you have any messages for us, for humanity? Any advice?

Lucy: Yes. We are all equals, and if I may be so bold to have a second one?

Me: Oh yes. Go right ahead!

Lucy: You are the only person who makes yourself.

Me: That’s right. Very powerful. Your life demonstrated that, too. Erik, any questions from you?

Jamie (giggling): No, but he said something really stupid. He said, “Draw.”

Me: Erik! What an inappropriate reference to her past life, especially given your past.

Jamie: Yeah, but she pretends to get out pen and paper.

Everyone laughs.

Me: Well, thanks so much for coming to visit us Lucy.

Lucy: You’re very welcome.

She waves and walks away.

Jamie: Wow, what a deep thinker. Unexpected!

Me: Well, being such a successful businesswoman didn’t jive with the roles she played so you never know! She may be full of surprises.