Enjoy Part Two of Near Death Experiences.
Me: Do people do that without having a near death experience?
(I’m referring to out of body travel to other dimensions.)
Erik: Yeah, that happens a lot with deep meditation, transcendental meditation. Sometimes it happens in your dream state. You come back and kind of get fucked up because you realize the life you’re living isn’t really the one you want to be living.
Me: Oh god, I can imagine. I thought it’d be like projecting your consciousness to like Venice or whatever.
Erik: No, you take your whole energetic body and go over there.
Me: Wow. Is that easy to learn how to do? I could tally up some frequent flyer miles and save on some ticket costs.
Jamie: That’s awesome.
Me: Travel as a family, a family of souls. We could cut to the front of every line—
Jamie: Ride the rides.
Me: Ride the rides.
Erik: It is easy if you find that you have a mind that doesn’t need to –
Jamie: Say it in another way then.
Erik: If you can change your perspective easily, then yeah. Astral projection is going to be easy for you.
Me: Okay. You have to be able to meditate really well, huh?
Erik: Yeah, it’s the way that you’re looking at it. It’s not so much a logical understanding and following a process. It’s the belief that it can happen, then finding the way that it works with your body. A lot of times we see it in cars—kids in the back seat that are all rocked to sleep and vibrated, shaken and they like zone out. Poof! They leave their body.
Me: Wow.
Erik: You should try those Chi Machines where you slide your ankles into it, and it shakes the ankles and the whole body. That will help you get out of your body.
Me: Chi Machine. Interesting. I’ll have to look that up!
Jamie: C-H-I.
Me: I’ll check it out. Awesome. Probably don’t sell it at Wal-Mart though, and if it’s not at Wal-Mart, you don’t need it.
Jamie laughs.
Me: What about some near death experiences? Are they planned like part of a spiritual contract? “Look this is going to be a crap life. I want a near death experience when I’m 45 so I can come back and,” whatever.
Erik: Yes. The traumatic near death experiences more often than not you plan in your life so that you have two options: To die and get the hell out of there and not return or return and have a life knowing that there’s something greater that exists beyond you. Or it might be to live your life without a fear of death.
Me: Yeah, that’s true. Now, I’ve heard one story, or maybe a couple of them, where somebody has a near death experience, and they come back and speak a completely different language. One lady sued the doctors because all of a sudden she’s speaking a different language, and she thought they did something to her!
Jamie: No way!
Me: Yeah! So what’s that all about? Is it a walk-in? Is it a completely different soul coming in, or did they just take a real quick Rosetta Stone crash course in Heaven?
Jamie laughs.
Jamie: Rosetta Stone in Heaven!
Erik: It can be a walk-in. It can also be that without their amnesia, they have connections to their other incarnations, and most likely, your incarnations are not all in the same language or the same country.
Me: Oh sure!
Erik: You tend to spread the wealth a little bit.
Me: Yeah, sure.
Erik: So it could be that you have a special connection to another incarnation of yourself, and then, boom, memories of living in another time and living in another place all show up as if it was yesterday.
Me: That’s something! Some people come back saying that they’re much more intuitive. I guess some of them are just in general more intuitive and some are intuitive in that they can channel. Is that true?
Erik: Yes, because the amnesia’s gone.
Me: Because the amnesia’s gone. Wow. That’s really cool.
Erik: And when your amnesia’s gone, you have a different perspective on what’s possible and what’s impossible and how energy—the self—really connects. It’s not just touch. (He pats one hand against the other.) This isn’t the only way we connect to our environment and other people. We do it with our energetic field. We do it with our thoughts, our emotions. People who had an NDE tend to comprehend that more than the average Joe or Jane.
Me: Interesting. You know children, of course, experience NDEs but they don’t have any belief structure in place about what happens after they die. Like they probably don’t know anything about a white tunnel or whatever. I actually had a near death experience when I was about 6 months old. I overdosed on nose drops, but I don’t remember anything because I was so little. So I do want to ask why did I go through that?
Erik: You know what, Mom? You can remember if you want to. You can do hypnosis and get your memory back if you would like.
Me: That’s true.
Erik: It was a pretty cool experience. You’re not going to find any demons wrapped up in there.
Me: Uh uh.
Erik: But if you came back and you held those memories and believed in them, it would kind of throw off your whole human plan, which is to be raised by nonbelievers and not have a belief system and then have this whole experience after I passed away, finding things that were missing before. So it really changed the scale of everything.
Me: Did I have that experience to be given the choice: ‘Do I really want to stick with this abusive family, or…’
Erik: Yes. Yes.
Me: So I stupidly decided to stay!
I chuckle.
Me: But then you wouldn’t be here, Erik!
Erik: A lot of us wouldn’t be here, Mom. Look at everybody watching the videos as well. It’s not just your children or your husband. It’s everybody else’s experience.
Me: That’s true!
Erik: Good choice!
Me: Thank you! Anyway, the last question about [very young] kids. They don’t have a belief structure, so what is their NDE going to be like?
Erik: Their NDE is going to be mostly with…
(Pause)
Erik: I guess we could compare it to a dream state. You turn off the lights, then you turn them on, and you’re somewhere else.
Me: Okay.
Erik: That’s all that really needs to happen. Their loved ones usually show up from ancestral lineage. Maybe the grandmother that died before they were even born but they knew each other before they came into life is like, “Hey, here I am again. Nice to see you again!” or “I’m going to hold your hand. You don’t need to be here. We’re going to wait for this to happen, and then we’re going to help you back in.” It’s mostly a family connection because when they do come back to life, if they’re old enough to communicate, then the messages that they’re going to deliver is about who they were with. Not where they were, but who they were with.
Me: Right.
Erik: And that’s what’s going to get the chain reaction rolling because the mother and father will say, “There’s no way in hell he ever knew Grandpa. He’s describing Grandpa to a T even down to his favorite hat to what he smoked and what he smelled like.”
Jamie (chuckling): He means a pipe.
I chuckle, too.
Jamie: I thought he meant the other.
He usually does!
Erik: That’s what would help that child’s environment support that they did indeed go somewhere special because there’s some amount of proof or show and tell of whom they experienced it with.
Me: Yeah.
Erik: But most commonly, it’s not going to be about, “God came down” or “Jesus came down” or “A mermaid got me.”
Jamie: He kind of takes the mermaid one back because it’s not part of a religious belief system.
Erik: Religious belief systems aren’t really installed innately into a child. They’re learned around 5, 6, 7, and then they’re adopted into their own belief system. Anything their imagination can create is probably what they’ll come up with.
Me: Okay. Very good. This has been awesome. Anything else on NDEs?
(Pause)
Erik: No, but I highly recommend learning how to astral project.
Me: Oh gosh. I have to look up one of those Chi Machines. That’s my only hope. My mind is just so full of monkeys. I’ll be trying to meditate, and I’ll think, “Did I leave the iron on? Did the kids unload the dishwasher?” Things like that.
Erik: A bottle of wine and a Chi Machine. Whoop!
Me: There we go! I’m out of there, man!
Jamie slings back her head and laughs.
Me: And a suitcase in the other hand. I can just get a mental image. Okay, bye guys!
A child’s NDE drawing
Here’s another lovely review for Erik’s book:
