Me: Now, what we’re going to talk about today is neutrinos. We’ve talked about how the soul is made of neutrinos and how upon death they change from a particle to a wave. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Erik: The neutrinos are a more dense vibration. They’re actually what helps the energetic system communicate with the physical system and stay in contact with the emotional and mental body. Think of it as constant plug-ins that creates highways and byways of communication. And we’re also talking about—if I may carry on the conversation—

Jamie giggles.

Erik: –we’re also talking about how the spirit separates from the physical body, and it is when those neutrinos lose the opportunity or the voice to communicate. That happens when—well there are several chemical reactions in the body, of course, when we no longer breathe in oxygen, when our heart is no longer pumping blood. You know, we have those physical things. But I think what we really want to talk about if how the energy decides to leave the physical body. If you’re studying the energetic system of the physical body, you’ll know already that there are auras or energetic fields around the physical body. That remains with the physical body. There is also a system—

Jamie: He’s giving me a really cool image. I’m just trying to figure out how to explain it. Give me a second.

Erik: There are also all sorts of energetic patterns that create the soul inside the body. Now, the energetic field outside of the physical body—the skin, bones, muscles and the cells—they remain, because that is attached as kind of a glow, if you can say, you know, off of a three dimensional, tangible item.

Jamie (to Erik): You’re going to call the body and item?

Erik: Yep. Yep I am. So, that’s not holding the soul in place, and that’s not going to leave when you’re soul leaves your body. It belongs to the physical body, so there are different energetic vibrations in the body that will no longer associate, so there’s almost like a separation between water and oil. Both liquids. Both completely different kinds of liquids. They can touch, hold space for each other, but they never really mix well. This is kind of how our soul is in our physical body—the luggage that contains it or the jar that holds the liquid. When the body can no longer sustain the life force, meaning it can no longer absorb nutrition, it can no longer have oxygen, it can no longer filtrate and function on it’s own in a physical state, then the soul has no reason to stay in the physical body. So it starts its own kind of chemical reaction like the physical body does. It ceases to communicate with the energy in the physical body, to all of its system. In that process, just to give you a visual, it looks a bit like a light show.

(Pause)

Jamie (smiling): He’s giving me pictures and talking at once.

Me: Uh oh.

Jamie (chuckling): I am talented at multitasking, you know, kind of a queen here, but not when you do that stuff, Erik.

(Pause)

Jamie: So I’m going to pause and talk about what he’s showing me, and then we’ll get back to his words. So, I’m looking at a person’s body. They look like they’re floating in darkness. But there’s a lot of color in the person’s body. All kinds of color—every hue. Deep reds, black, white everywhere. Pinks. And they look like, um, pockets of light. It’s like if you were to hold flashlights to the body. It’s not blended well like watercolors. This looks like a specific staged laser light show in a way but not sharp like a laser. And these bursts of light are coming on and off. It’s almost like the end of the communication between the energetic body and the physical body.

(Pause)

Jamie (giggling): He says he’s trying to show me in slo-mo.

Erik: The separation happens instantaneously in many cases, and that’s why you hear the definition from some people who are spirits that it was, uh, the light was on, and then as easy as you can turn the light switch off, they’re out. It’s done. That’s it. There is no though process attached to it. Your brain doesn’t have to process death while it’s happening. Your emotional body doesn’t have to process it. It’s truly the communication between the physical system and the energetic system.

Jamie (with a slightly wide-eyed, startled look): Oh, he’s pausing.

Me: Okay. Now, how does it actually separate from the, I mean, how does the soul actually attach to the body. You talked about microtubules before in each cell.

Erik: Mm hm. They spiral out more like a cord that connects in, for lack of a better word, an energetic system that kind of feeds its roots into whatever it needs to be associated with be it the tissue, the bone, the marrow, the organ. Think of it as an intricate root system.

Me: And [the soul] latches on to the microtubules? Is that what it does?

Erik: Yes.

Me: Interesting. And as it separates from those microtubules, talk to me a little bit about that.

(Long pause)

Jamie: He’s sitting there with his mouth closed and he’s looking at me and he says:

Erik: As easy as it is for me to not speak to you is as easy as the energy stops communicating. I don’t think I know how to explain it anymore. So why don’t you ask me another question about it and we’ll see if we can get it some intelligence up in my head.

Jamie laughs.

Me: Well, is it some sort of electrical reaction within the microtubules that—

Erik: Electrical reactions. Yeah, I’ll go for that. Yes.

Me: All right. What about, uh, we talked about neutrinos. What happens to the neutrinos, themselves, when they leave the body? Can you talk about how they turn into a wave pattern instead of the particle pattern that it’s in when it’s in the physical body? Is that true?

(He talked about this in the past, but I wanted to make sure.)

Jamie (laughing): He’s using the old bell technique like “ding”!

Erik: Yes, that’s true.

Me: Okay. Now, what are those wave patterns for? What do they do?

(Long pause, then Jamie shakes her head.)

Jamie: Again, he shows me a lot of pictures.

Jamie (to Erik): Just talk to me, Erik. Easier, much easier for me.

(Pause)

Erik: Of course, the human way is to explain what they’re not, because that’s what humans can understand best.

I laugh.

Jamie (smiling): Sass-ma-fras!

I have no idea what she just said. Sass-ma-fras? Really?

Erik: They do not turn into waves to maintain our personalities or our characters or memories, so stop that train of thought.

Jamie (to Erik): We weren’t even on that train of thought! We were just asking a question!

Me: Yeah. About neutrinos. What are they for in the spirit world? What do they do? Do they carry information? Are they information? Are they the particle of consciousness? What are they exactly?

Erik: They’re not patterns of information. Again, they’re not your personality, your character, your memories, and your association to past lives, current lives, future lives. I like the concept that it’s consciousness. Just think of it as being—

Jamie (to Erik): Erik, you’re going to have to find a way to explain it!

Me: He didn’t drink his coffee today!

Erik: Think of them as being a satellite dish. Tiny little satellite dishes that transmit knowledge, emotion, consciousness, consecutiveness, unity. Things of that nature. It’s so fucking hard to explain, because anyone who’s listening and even you who are asking the questions are trying to see it in a very, kind of, human state, a very scientific state where I know if I gave you a straw, you can measure the straw and tell me consistently what that straw’s going to do. If you apply a suction pressure, a fluid is going to come through it. But these things, they change to meet your needs. There’s no physical quality or element in a spirit that stays the same consistently every time you go back to it. I can give you a straw in spirit and you can take it and use it as a car!

Jamie: Wow, that was really random.

Erik: Well, yeah, I’m trying to make it random because we’re asking how this element is going to perform each time for what it’s being used. In our higher dimensions, it’s just not this way. We pull together what we need out of our own energetic system, out of our own soul or spirit. We don’t have this consistency that you have on Earth. And—

(Pause)

Jamie (to Erik): Whadda-whadda-what? You lost me.

Jamie and I giggle.

Jamie: The ni, ni—

Me: Microtubules?

Jamie: Yeah, that. He started to say “it” and he gets me lost when he does that.

(Now, I think what he may have been referring to neutrinos, so, given what we’ve already learned, you can decide for yourself.)

Jamie: He says the microtubules are almost like the halfway step between the energetic system and the physical system. So you see them being put in place for the body to maintain its status with the soul.

Erik: But as their relationship is there, they transform into an energetic system, and are no longer used as a stable factor. They were more important when you were in the body. Kind of like the appendix.

Jamie: I don’t know how that was related!

Me: It’s unimportant. We really don’t need it. And so after death, we don’t need the microtubules. Is that what you’re saying?

Jamie: He kind of shifts his body around.

Erik: You got it!

Me: All right.

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Dear Reader,

The journey on which you’re about to embark will take you through stories that are deeply personal and involves a relationship between a mother and her son.

As a physician raised by two atheists, I had no personal belief system about life after death. In a word, I was a confirmed skeptic. As my journey progressed, my mind opened. It is my sincerest hope that yours will open as well and that you will have a greater understanding of your own life and what’s to come ahead.

Although Erik sometimes paints a rosy picture of the afterlife, time and time again he stresses that suicide is not the answer to one’s problems. If you struggle, please understand that the information in my blog and my book is no substitute for professional help. Please click here for a list of resources for help when you find yourself considering taking your own life. Know that they are readily available when you feel that hopelessness and despair that many of us feel from time to time in our lives.

I refuse all donations and ad revenue on the blog. It is my dream to one day establish a nonprofit organization that delivers a variety of spiritual services for those who have lost loved ones to suicide and cannot afford that assistance on their own. It’s a mission of love, sacrifice, and dedication.

Love and light,

Elisa