I knew it was going to be a bit heart wrenching for me to bring back these memories, but I felt I had to find the strength to do it since so many parents have suffered the loss of a baby. But before we go there, as usual, I have a few announcements:
Don’t forget about Erik’s Hour of Enlightenment radio show tomorrow at 4:00 PM PT/6:00 PM CT/7:00 PM ET. Click on the “LISTEN” icon on the right sidebar of the blog or click on this link: http://liveparanormal.com/channeling-erik/. For this show, Jennifer Doran will channel Erik on the subject of grief during the holiday season and how to handle it. Then Erik will take questions from listeners. You can check out what Jennifer has to offer, go to psychicmediumjenniferdoran.com. If you want to ask Erik a question, then no more than 15 minutes before the top of the hour, call 619-639-4606.
Second announcement: Raylene is coming to my house in Houston to have an event in January! Yay! Here’s the information and itinerary:
Raylene’s 2-day Teaching and Channeling Event
Day 1 01/12/19
Location: Houston, Texas. Elisa’s house address will be given once payment is received
$250.00 Price includes lunch on both days and a crystal package
- How to feel crystal energy
- How to balance chakras using crystals
Connecting with Spirit
- How to connect
- How to feel spirit energy
- Identifying which spirit is around you
- Allowing spirit or higher dimensional beings to move your physical hand
Day 2 01/13/19
Location: Houston, Texas Elisa Medhus’s house
How to create your own natural energy
- Sending and receiving healing energy
- How to use dowsing rods
The basics of oracle cards
- How to use oracle cards
Raylene will be offering one-on-one readings with attendees
- Price is $60.00 for 20 minutes
- Attendees can pre-book ahead of time
Attendees will be given the opportunity to apply what they have learned on one and other if they choose to.
- Wine and fine spirit’s will be available after event
- Please bring your own oracle cards (Example: Angel Therapy by Doreen Virtue is one of Raylene’s favorites)
*All sales are final. No Refunds.
Third announcement: As you know, my daughter has an awesome Kristmas Vlog. Here’s a request from here:
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I’m going to hold off posting new material until after Christmas because a lot of sessions lately have been canceled either because the medium was sick and, in one case, I was too exhausted. But I will re-post some of my faves.
Finally, I want to thank all of you who donated during our annual fundraiser. I’m so grateful to you all. My goal was to raise enough to cover half of the overhead and we raised almost 75% of it instead! I will keep the donate button up for now in hopes of raising money for the spiritual school for children. I truly think a spiritual education for children coming into this world now is the answer to bringing spiritual awareness to the entire world, at least one of the answers. It might take generations and probably long after I’m gone, but I want to sow the seeds while I’m here!
Okay, okay. Enough of the boring announcements. Here’s the very poignant channeling of my little boy, Seth. Michelle Gray (thehealingh-art.com) did a masterful job! The transcript follows.
Elisa: Hello, Michelle, how are you doing?
Michelle: Hi, Elisa, I’m doing good, how are you?
Elisa: I’m doing excellent, Hi Erik, I love you.
Erik: Hi, Mama, I love you.
Elisa: Aw. Happy Thanksgiving!
Erik: Happy Thanksgiving, I’m looking forward to sitting at my seat at the table.
Elisa: Oh yeah, always.
Erik: I’m looking forward to being with the family, with everybody, the family has grown.
Elisa: I know, oh my God, it’s going to be a big one and hopefully I won’t have to clean up, but we’ll see. Anywho, I thought we would, because a lot of people have lost babies, like had stillborn, and I had a stillbirth right between Erik and Lukas, and his name is Seth, so, Erik can you get Seth for us?
Michelle: Erik has Seth here already.
Elisa: Oh, wow, describe him Erik, or yeah, what does he look like Michelle?
Michelle: I’m seeing him at, I would say 4 years old, he actually looks a lot like Lukas and Erik. He’s got the same type of features as him, very soft, cute little face, blonde hair, he’s actually wearing jean overalls.
Michelle: And a striped t-shirt, and he’s got a frog hanging out of his front pocket.
Elisa: A real one?
Michelle: Yes, it looks like a real live frog, like his friend hanging out of his front pocket.
Elisa: Aw, that’s so sweet.
Erik: We’ve been at the stream, at the pond.
Elisa: Oh, so that’s your brother Erik.
Erik: I’ve spent a lot of time with him, he’s a smart little guy.
Erik: Real smart.
Elisa: That’s awesome, do you think, Seth that you will ever come back into our family?
Seth: Yes, I’ll be back as a female.
Elisa: Oh, okay, into one of my grandkids or one of my kids.
Seth: One of your grandkids.
Elisa: Oh wow! That is so cool. That might be awhile.
Michelle: Yeah, he’s real close to you right now.
Elisa: Aw. I love you. I’m so sorry.
Michelle: Seth and Erik are right up beside you right now. They’re very close to you.
Elisa: Aw, it was so horrible and I’m so sorry if I had anything to do with it. I probably should not have gotten the amniocentesis but I was told to because I was old and right after that I was laying down on the sofa and the girls were chasing Erik and Erik jumped, you were just little Erik, jumped onto my stomach and then the amniotic fluid started leaking and you know, anyway I was monitored for awhile but it just never worked out. Totally avoidable really.
Erik: It wasn’t my fault, it wasn’t your fault, Mom.
Elisa: Oh yeah, it wasn’t your fault. Mommy was always base, Mommy is always base when your siblings chase you.
Michelle: That’s right, that’s right, that’s so true.
Seth: It wasn’t my contract, I had an opportunity to come to be born, I also had an opportunity.
Michelle: Okay, okay, slow down just a bit, he talks real fast like Erik. His energy is very very, like really fast.
Michelle: Yes. He’s making me talk really fast too, so I’m just going to slow down for a little second.
Seth: I could come, or I could go, it wasn’t anything to do with the family, it wasn’t anything to do with, it wasn’t like a lesson had happen either way, even though there would be benefit to whether I lived.
Michelle: Oh, okay that’s interesting.
Seth: I would not have lived to be an adult.
Elisa: Oh God, that would have been horrible. Why?
Michelle: He’s showing himself, oh that’s interesting, he’s showing himself as a 4-year-old child. He would have passed as a child.
Elisa: Oh God.
Seth: It would have been something accidental.
Elisa: Oh God. Like a drowning or running out into traffic or poisoning or what?
Seth: A household accident.
Elisa: Like what?
Michelle: Erik’s showing me a ladder right now. Oh, okay, he’s showing him going up a ladder in the house and falling backwards.
Michelle: You have really tall stairs, really high stairs in your house?
Michelle: He’s showing me like the top of a staircase and falling backwards.
Seth: I was here for a short time.
Erik: And a good time. It was still a good time.
Seth: I was able to connect with you, as part of you, but my soul was not meant to go past the age.
Michelle: The age of four or the age of a toddler? Erik’s not saying it was a contract but he’s saying something to do with Erik’s passing or Erik’s contract.
Elisa: Is to get me used to the idea of loss? Teach me a lesson of loss and prepare me for Erik’s death?
Michelle: Yes, it does have to do with the preparation of loss.
Erik: It would not have, something changed when he passed, it changed how things played out with me.
Erik: It changed the energy of how things played out. Timing wise, I passed earlier than that I was contracted to.
Elisa: Yeah, he told me.
Michelle: He ended it earlier.
Elisa: He was supposed to wait until he was in his own apartment, so I wouldn’t have to find him.
Erik: There was a bit of an energy change, because it would have been Seth that would have passed at home.
Erik: It would have been Seth that had his life cut short and this taught you about loss and death because you still had to go through those emotions.
Michelle: Erik’s not really saying, what are you saying Erik? (laughing), Okay.
Erik: This was not meant to be anything to do with me.
Michelle: How do I make sense of this? He’s showing me energy, this is how I’m seeing it and so if I see your family as an energetic, as a light, he shows me different energetic lines which he’s saying is like each member of the family. It’s almost like there an equation of an amount of people in the family and as each person makes a decision or as each person does something it affects something in future.
Elisa: Oh yeah.
Erik: It affects things that happen in the future. Seth had an energy line that was connected to me through you, but it was not a contract. So, it would have gone one way or another but had Seth had have lived it would have only been short term.
Michelle: And that has something to do with Erik, so that Erik would have gone on longer, he would have grown older.
Michelle: I’m just trying to.
Elisa: Yeah, I get it. Describe your personality Seth.
Michelle: He’s a very, very, he’s got a feminine personality to him in a sense that he’s very emotional.
Erik: Not that men can’t be emotional.
Elisa: No, of course.
Michelle: He’s touching, Erik’s face right now, and as Erik’s talking, it’s as if he’s feeling his face and can feel his heart.
Erik: He is very sensory.
Michelle: I’m just asking is there something that was, oh okay, so had he have been born he may have had, not Autism but Asperger’s or something.
Elisa: Or what about a sensory disintegration, disorder?
Michelle: It’s something with.
Elisa: The senses?
Michelle: Something with the senses.
Erik: He was very emotionally intelligent.
Michelle: So, Seth is also.
Elisa: Uh-oh. You got muted. There, okay there we go. Okay now, we’re here.
Michelle: Just give me a second here, just showing me. Okay, so they’re just bringing me back to the pond, right here, and they’re just sitting down, and Erik’s got him sitting right in front of me, so I can look at him and he’s got really big blue eyes and he’s just the sweetest looking boy and he’s got a sense of humour.
Seth: I like to look at facts.
Michelle: He’s showing me facts in the newspaper, world facts. You know, how you would read a book? He’s showing me like section in a newspaper that looks like 10 Things that you didn’t know.
Elisa: Oh yeah. Right.
Michelle: 10 amazing things.
Elisa: Little factoids.
Seth: I’m very interested in the young children in your family.
Michelle: He’s bringing me to your granddaughter.
Seth: I am like her. I’ve got something that is very similar in personality.
Elisa: To Arleen? The older one, 10 years old.
Elisa: She struggles in school, would he have struggled in school the same way because she has, I think cognitive processing disorder because she can’t filter all the energy. She’s so open to energy. Would that describe you, Seth?
Michelle: He’s also showing me, is Arleen, like his hair is not curly.
Elisa: Yeah, it’s straight, Arleen’s is straight.
Michelle: It’s not curly like Erik and Lukas’, it’s straight like Arleen’s.
Michelle: It’s a little bowl cut.
Elisa: Oh okay.
Michelle: It’s just cut around here, it’s straight, a little bowl cut. He just wants to comment about the frog.
Seth: It’s a bullfrog.
Michelle: He’s very interested in science. Science experiments and he’s very interested in how things work and how things are put together on how things are built, how things are made.
Seth: I am waiting to come back to the family, I have not reincarnated, I have not taken on a life anywhere else. I have waited.
Erik: I did not meet Seth right away.
Elisa: Oh, okay.
Erik: I didn’t know him right away.
Michelle: He’s just correcting me right now.
Erik: Not that I didn’t know him, I had awareness of him, but I didn’t communicate with him, not right from the very first.
Michelle: I was just asking him when you first crossed Erik, was he right there? Was he waiting for you?
Erik: I was aware of him and I did come across him eventually, but it wasn’t right away.
Elisa: Oh, okay. Well why was that?
Erik: No particular reason, it had a lot to do with the processing of what I was going through.
Erik: It had to do with where I was at.
Elisa: Oh yeah, sure.
Erik: I had to experience other spirits.
Erik: There were some that I did experience right away.
Elisa: Okay. What were your favourite toys or little interests as a little toddler?
Elisa: That came into my mind for some reason. If you had lived to the age of 4, describe your relationship with how it would be with your other siblings, let’s start with Christina, how would you guys have gotten along?
Seth: Really well. I was a bit of tease.
Michelle: He’s talking about having another life with Christina as well and saying that he was a little bit of a tease, but she had a soft spot for him.
Seth: So, we would have gotten along well. Lukas and I would have butted heads.
Elisa: Oh boy! I was told by somebody, that you sort of melted a little bit with Lukas’s soul because you wanted to like to observe or something like that, I can’t remember exactly, is that true? That you did for awhile or you know insert part of your soul into Lukas?
Seth: I am not an aspect, I have melded to experience and I have done that not just with Lukas but also one of your grandchildren too.
Elisa: Okay, oh interesting.
Seth: That has not been limited to male only. I have had, melded with Papa.
Erik: It’s not like an aspect of the soul, but a spirit can meld with the living to be able to experience.
Michelle: To experience or to see through our eyes. That’s what he is telling me he had done with Lukas, but that has not been the only time he’s done that.
Seth: I am also joining the family for Thanksgiving,
Elisa: Oh goody! We’ll add another seat, I might have to get a folding table to put in there for sure.
Seth: No peas.
Elisa: Yeah, we’re going to serve peas, but you don’t like them, huh?
Elisa: Okay, well he knows, my famous timed peas. All right so, that’s interesting, what were you expecting to experience? Did you just want to see what the family was like, if you had grown up in the family or was there some other thing?
Seth: I know your souls. I know who you are, and I want to see what is there, I want to see how you see, I want to see how you feel, and it’s interesting to me.
Michelle: And it’s funny too because Erik has stepped back a little bit from him, like he’s giving him the floor.
Michelle: He’s just stepped right back.
Seth: I also have a real fondness for dogs.
Seth: You always had dogs.
Michelle: Okay, he’s showing me with the other kids being small, and he’s showing me being with Lukas and playing with the dog.
Elisa: Okay. One of our dogs now?
Seth: Yes, he is with the dogs now.
Michelle: But he was talking about.
Elisa: Oh, when Lukas was younger, oh okay, like Zoe? I mean Lukas’s first words were, “Good girl” to Zoe.
Michelle: Oh my God, is this like a, it’s a big dog right, because I’m seeing a bigger dog. Did Lukas try to ride this dog?
Elisa: Oh yeah, or just lay on top of her and all that, yeah.
Michelle: What I’m seeing right now is the arms, okay so these are Lukas’s arms wrapped around the dog, it looks like he is trying to ride the dog and Seth is right there with him. He’s holding on to the back.
Michelle: He’s holding on to the back of Lukas and it looks like the two of them are going to go riding on this dog.
Elisa: Aw. Okay, so what about with Michelle, how would your relationship have been with Michelle?
Michelle: Okay, so now Michelle would be older right?
Elisa: She’s the second, yeah.
Michelle: Okay because he’s looking up at her.
Seth: She would be my caregiver, she was.
Elisa: His extra Mom.
Seth: Yes, I was the baby. Michelle was a Mom to me.
Michelle: Oh! Michelle actually was a Mom to him in another life.
Elisa: Oh Wow! cool! All right, what about the relationship with Erik? Oh, go ahead.
Michelle: He’s just showing me what looks like little Michelle.
Michelle: It looks like a little girl.
Elisa: Aw sweet.
Michelle: Okay so with Erik too?
Elisa: Mm hm.
Michelle: Did Erik ever tell you when he was alive that he could see spirit? Did he ever tell you as a child he could see energy or anything?
Elisa: I don’t think so.
Michelle: Because he’s showing me, okay so Erik is just a wee boy.
Erik: I didn’t know, as a child I was not able to understand or sense what it was but there was energy around me, but the relationship between Seth and I was very bonded.
Michelle: Erik had airplanes, playing airplanes.
Elisa: Oh yeah, is somebody waving to me? No.
Michelle: The two of them playing with airplanes together.
Erik: We are kindred. We are similar in a lot of ways.
Michelle: In a lot of ways, very loving little boys and played together fairly well.
Seth: I was a little bit of a tease and so was Erik:
Elisa: Yeah both, yeah Erik definitely was, yeah. All right, so you mention that he would butt heads with Lukas, that’s their relationship was pretty much like, anything else to add to Lukas’s relationship to you?
Seth: Lukas would stand up for me.
Elisa: Aw, that’s awesome.
Seth: If anybody were to take something away from me, then Lukas would stand up for me.
Michelle: Lukas is one down, it was Erik, Seth, Lukas, right?
Elisa: Right, hang on. I’m going to have to pause and see. I’m going to pause just for a second and see if I need to. Sorry. The housekeeper was not supposed to come today, just every other week. She’s just going to come in to do floors. All right so, Lukas would have stuck up for him. What about Annika?
Michelle: He was the younger brother that would have stuck up for him.
Elisa: What about Annika? The youngest, who is younger than Lukas.
Michelle: Annika’s younger than Lukas, right?
Elisa: Right and younger than Seth and Lukas was younger than Seth.
Seth: Our relationship was very quiet.
Michelle: Because he’s showing me Annika’s energy as being very soft and she’s softening his energy down with her.
Seth: We were very quiet, and we talked.
Seth: A very peaceful relationship. A friendship. A brother and sister relationship based on the foundation of friendship.
Michelle: Okay, now, Erik is this what you’re trying to say? Okay, I’m just going to say this because this is what Seth is saying and Erik is not giving me a clear answer, but I feel like there might be a baby coming for Annika, someday that could be Seth.
Michelle: Because as soon as you said Annika, the energy started to soften.
Elisa: Oh interesting!
Michelle: A little bit different than the rest of them. So, and I just said to Erik is that what is going on and he says possibly.
Elisa: Well when you do incarnate, will you come in with Asperger’s or some of the learning issues?
Elisa: Will you stay?
Elisa: Good, because we don’t need anymore tragedies in the family.
Seth: No, there’s also not learning for me that is necessary or learning for the family to come in with those type of abilities.
Seth: I will be very, very emotionally in tune.
Elisa: Oh good.
Seth: Very emotionally intelligent.
Elisa: Good. Easy baby? Difficult baby? Whiny baby?
Seth: Easy baby.
Elisa: Oh goody! So, tell me about your transition. I remember telling the doctor, when they were going to knock me out, I said please just put the baby on my stomach after you take him out.
Michelle: He was gone before.
Seth: I was out of the body before, I passed before the delivery.
Michelle: He’s just showing me; did you have a period of time that you knew that he was gone beforehand? Was there a few days?
Elisa: Oh no, uh-uh. I mean they just came to check for a heartbeat and I was in the hospital on bedrest and there was no heartbeat.
Michelle: Because he’s showing me, him lying up on you, his energy was up on you the entire time because when you said that he said, No, Mom I was already there.
Seth: I was already there. My crossing wasn’t.
Michelle: Erik can you just help me out a little bit with this one? Okay. So, Seth’s crossing was not the same as when somebody crossing, okay. Crossing as a baby in this way is a little bit different than it is for someone who has lived out an incarnation and crosses. What Erik is just showing me right now, it’s as if part of their energy stays in spirit.
Michelle: So, it’s a joining back to the same energy.
Erik: It’s very warm, it’s angelic.
Michelle: Seth’s just showing me a lot of white light, but the energy that stays with you is, gives the spirit an opportunity to, I want to say physicality, but Erik says it’s not physical, it’s energetic.
Erik: If you could imagine, it’s like an outlet to like a lamp.
Erik: Because if you go and take the plug and plug it in, that’s the physical.
Erik: And when the baby died, it pulls away, and this is common for babies that have not, so a stillbirth and for a baby that would die very soon, and a miscarriage as well.
Erik: A baby that would die soon after birth. It’s like unplugging the outlet but it’s all attached to the lamp.
Erik: It’s like bringing back to source.
Elisa: So, it’s not as traumatic, because you were just there, and part of you was still there.
Michelle: This is good for a lot of people to understand who have had babies that have passed.
Erik: It’s not traumatic for the baby. Even though physically we understand it’s scary, especially when a small child that we see dying, that they leave their body before they die, as many of us do, however, it’s not like a trauma.
Erik: It’s not like it’s something that they have to work through.
Elisa: Oh okay. Who did you meet, when you crossed over? Who met you rather?
Michelle: The first thing he saw was Jesus.
Elisa: That’s so sweet. And then what? Did you have a life review? I mean do babies who die this way have life reviews, I mean they didn’t even really have a life per se.
Seth: No. There was an understanding, it was just a knowing of what happened, it was an understanding of what happened. We do have an opportunity to reincarnate right away, we have an opportunity to make plans.
Seth: Or make arrangements to do something else.
Seth: I chose not to do that. I chose to stay. It was my choice to present myself at 4 years old, that is the age that I feel good at.
Elisa: Okay. Interesting. Why did you choose to wait?
Seth: I wanted to be there for Erik.
Seth: A part of me wanted to be here for Erik.
Elisa: Did he know what was going to happen to Erik?
Michelle: There was an awareness. I don’t know how to describe how they show it to me energetically, but it’s very interesting to see, it’s like every decision I’m seeing, it changes the way the energy looks.
Elisa: Yeah. Wow.
Michelle: So, everything that happens in spirit is also affecting us here too.
Elisa: Yeah, that’s cool. Wow, well it’s all just one giant collective, stone in the pond, ripples through the energy, yeah. All right so, let’s kind of reach out and help those who have had miscarriages or stillbirths. Any information about that, that would help soothe parents who have gone through that?
Seth: Blame, is the first thing that a lot of parents, mothers and fathers go to blame to what they did wrong, they look at, well I must have done something wrong, I shouldn’t have taken this medication, or I shouldn’t have done this and to first understand that each and every death is the death of the physical body and there is always something there that is being brought to the family from the spirit. There is always something that’s being brought as a gift, even though it does look like a gift at that time but understand that there will be something there for you.
Elisa: For example?
Seth: For example, if you have a family that is not getting along, or a family that has relationships that need to mend or something that needs to change. Sometimes a baby will come into the situation to bring certain people together.
Elisa: I see.
Seth: And it is the loss of that child.
Erik: That is actually something that can apply for any death as well, but a child or a baby will incarnate specifically for the parents, the family or somebody within that close knit relative to have some learning and it usually involves, usually it’s the mother and father but there can be other people involved as well.
Seth: Not to blame yourselves and even though that is difficult to understand in the circumstance at hand because we were planning for a baby, or planning for this new life, or planning for this exciting event and when that changes.
Erik: It’s a very difficult thing for a parent to work through.
Erik: Very challenging.
Elisa: Yeah. Any other messages for them, that they must be comfortable in the fact that the deaths are never traumatic, and they already have part of their soul in the afterlife, right?
Erik: The children that are coming in, yes, their soul is not completely, if you can understand that the soul is not completely within the body.
Elisa: Okay, yes.
Erik: That the soul there, and even though there is an aspect of it that it is with source.
Erik: So that child is incarnated. So, anything that happens at that time, yes there is a heartbeat, and yes there is a physical body and there isn’t a piece of that soul that’s there. It’s like a soul plan.
Elisa: Oh okay, yeah, yeah.
Erik: It’s waiting to plug in. That trauma is not there so whatever has happened that that baby is with the source. That’s why the parents can communicate with source as well.
Elisa: Oh okay. How common is it for the miscarried or stillborn child to reincarnate right away with the same parents? And then also how common is it for them to eventually incarnate in the family as a whole?
Erik: A lot of times they do. A lot of times the spirit will incarnate within the next child.
Erik: It’s not uncommon for a mother who had several miscarriages, for the next child that is born in sequence to be that soul.
Erik: Not always because we can look at it from a soul perspective as well. The soul also has an experience.
Erik: The soul is also experiencing something too. It comes from both directions.
Elisa: Okay. What’s behind the current miscarriages? I see that a lot.
Erik: There’s a couple of things that are going on here. We can go to the spiritual aspect of things and understand that with everything that there is some sort of spiritual lesson, or spiritual contract with that, however, there’s also environmental factors as well.
Michelle: He’s talking about changes in, he’s actually showing me environment, like changes of environment, changes of food.
Elisa: What do you mean changes of environment, like moving to a new place or environment like pollution or?
Michelle: Yes, he’s talking about what we can get chemically from the environment.
Elisa: Oh, I got you.
Erik: And breathing in from the air. It’s also not necessarily that it has increased, because miscarriage has been something that has always happened, but our technology follows women much closer now.
Erik: And has become more and more and more. We’re also reporting it and looking at it a little bit differently than was done before. That’s another part of it too. There are several different aspects that can be contributing.
Elisa: Oh okay. Are you talking to Erik or Seth?
Michelle: I’m talking to Erik, but it’s interesting because Seth will come forward and say something and Erik will come forward and say something because the two of them, Erik has kind of stood back but when you’re asking a question about something like that, Big Brother Erik moves right up.
Elisa: Aw. That’s funny. So, is there anything that people can do, any advice if they have recurrent miscarriages?
Erik: Listen, it is sensitive to say this.
Michelle: And he wants me to say this right, in saying that it’s really important that you take the time, if you’ve had a miscarriage, take the time to regain the strength of your body.
Elisa: Before trying again.
Michelle: And of your mind and everything.
Erik: Because that is a loss that needs to be honoured and needs to be grieved. It’s an energy and a lot of time it will be so difficult or challenging for someone, that they want to push it down like it didn’t exist.
Erik: And do it again. It is very important that you do honour that energy and honour the grief within yourself.
Elisa: Sure, sure.
Erik: Not only that but to care for the body, your different aspects that come in, with depression or many different things that can affect a person because each case is unique.
Erik: The one size fits all is the taking care of yourself not trying to push to have another baby too soon because your body’s not quite ready. That’s something that most people understand but that will and that desire when a baby is taken away, that will, and desire can sometimes push somebody just to want to get right back to it. Which can cause more disappointment. The hardest thing to hear is, and I want to take a second to talk about what to say to somebody that has had a miscarriage.
Erik: It’s not only the person that’s had the miscarriage but those that are supporting. We want to be careful with how we do treat someone, to say well, it’s a good thing it happened now, and it didn’t happen later or.
Elisa: You can try again, or you have other kids.
Erik: That’s right, he just said or how about when are you going to try again?
Elisa: Oh yeah, yeah.
Erik: To not rush somebody through a miscarriage, to not rush to them and say well you were sad about that last week, it’s over now, you can try again, let it go. To allow each person to understand that this is a loss, this is a death, this is a loss.
Erik: And it’s completely okay to treat it that way. Allow your partner, your family member, your friend to grieve in the way that they need. Just as if they would have lost somebody in their life that they knew for years and years.
Erik: It doesn’t matter, allow somebody to grieve and have what they need and support them. Be there for them, ask what you can do for them, to help them out because a lot of times there are a lot of people that go through this alone.
Elisa: All right let me ask you about if you have any words for those who have chosen to have an abortion and then feel guilt about it and stuff. How can you comfort them?
Erik: So, looking at this from a spiritual aspect, understand the same thing that we spoke of with the miscarriage, that spirit is not completely within oneself. This also is grief for some and there is a lot of people harbour a lot of guilt and a lot of pain for a very long time over making a decision. There are spiritual contracts at play with abortion. Each situation is unique and should be treated that way, it can not be all grouped together as one blanket statement.
Erik: The most important thing that you can do is to forgive yourself, to not blame or judge yourself for what has happened over the choices that you made and to know that you have not, that soul is there. The same thing as miscarriage with abortion often times that soul will be reincarnate either into the same or into another pregnancy with that person or within that family.
Erik: Often a soul family
Michelle: He’s just going on with the guilt and saying that its important that you honour that pain. A lot of times there’s embarrassment with it and some women won’t seek help, such as counselling or anything like that because they’re embarrassed, cut that out, don’t be embarrassed. Get the help that you need and work through it.
Elisa: Well would it help for any of these, those who have chosen to have an abortion, those with miscarriages, stillbirths, would it help for them to channel those spirits and ask for what was the contract, what was the lesson, how are you doing and things like that. Would that help them find peace?
Erik: Absolutely. Yes. There’s a different solution for everyone. Mom, I’m glad you brought that up, because when I was talking about the lamp analogy and plugging people in, and connecting with spirit, you can channel that spirit when they’re in utero, and you can channel the spirit afterwards. Just the same as any spirit.
Erik: It will help you answer a lot of questions. A lot of times the spirit will be with the family, will be with the mother, so there is benefit to that.
Michelle: And this was not me, so I am not sure who he’s talking about.
Erik: There was someone that channeled a baby after years and years, and almost forgetting about it, and it was brought up to somebody and gave a lot of healing.
Michelle: Not sure what he’s referring to, just that somebody’s going to know about that.
Elisa: Yeah, somebody, one of the viewers, yeah.
Michelle: Is going to understand that, and he was making a point of saying that.
Elisa: Yeah. So, it seems like there’s no reason why you shouldn’t continue to have a relationship with these babies, with these spirits, right.
Michelle: And that’s exactly right.
Erik: This is conscious choice. In spirit the only thing that’s different is the body, that’s the only thing that separating.
Elisa: That’s right.
Erik: It isn’t really separation, it’s not.
Erik: And being able to channel the spirit is very healing. It’s fun too.
Elisa: Yeah, it seems like it would be a really great idea, I guess, to channel your baby in utero to ask hey what are you coming in my life for, what’s our contracts, what are you going to be like, do I need to have any certain preparation or you know, are you going to have any medical issues, yeah, I don’t know whatever, would that beneficial?
Elisa: Or do I need to do anything to help this pregnancy right now, do you have any nutrient needs, whatever. That’d be pretty cool.
Erik: That’s a fantastic idea!
Erik: This is all part of this package where we are taking Western medicine, holistic and spirit, and putting everything together like a full package, like we are.
Elisa: Hey maybe you should have a special button for channel inutero and then put it out in Google, you know we channel the unborn, that’d be awesome, you could have this huge clientele and really help a lot of pregnant women with anxieties etc.
Erik: It’s being done, there are mediums that do that. That’s a great idea.
Erik: That’s a great idea! I love that idea.
Elisa: Okay, well I don’t have anything else, Seth do you want to say anything else? I want to say I love you very much and I miss you.
Seth: I love you too and I miss you to.
Michelle: He’s hanging off of Erik’s neck, he’s jumped right up, he’s got his legs around Erik’s waist and his arms around his neck.
Elisa: Aw. Sweet.
Seth: I love you, I am thankful for my brudder Erik.
Elisa: Sounds like brother Erik needs to put you down for a nap.
Seth: Nap time is quite a requirement.
Elisa: No, I know, I’m just teasing you.
Seth: Nap times not a requirement.
Elisa: All right, luck for you. Would you have ended up in the black time out chair as much as Erik did?
Elisa: All right well thank you Michelle, you guys check her out at healingh-art.com, I will put the thing right here and well this will be probably after Thanksgiving, but I hope you guys did have a Happy Thanksgiving. Love Michelle, love you Seth, Love you Erik.
Michelle: Love you too.
Erik: Bye Mama.
Michelle: Love you Elisa.
Thanks again for being my awesome second family. I don’t think you guys realize how important you are to my life and how much I love you!