After you read this, you’ll never feel like a lazy slob for sleeping in!
Me: Erik, are you aware of people who are sleeping coming over to visit in the afterlife? In other words, when people are sleeping in bed, can they travel to the afterlife so that they’re physical bodies are like in suspended animation or some sort of “rest period” during which their guides watch over them?
Erik: Yeah, there is that, but it’s not like some “sleeping hospital.” It’s not like the soul body floats themselves into Heaven and they line up in little rows. It’s like—
Jamie: How do you explain what you’re showing me, Erik?
Erik: There are certain types of sleep where the soul is out of the body, like an out of body experience—
Me: Uh huh.
Erik: During that moment, the soul could be “conscious awake” or “conscious asleep.”
Erik: When it’s conscious asleep, it’s as if the soul floats right above the body.
Me: Um hm.
Erik: But it has that moment of outward experience, which is very freeing. It’s a wonderful, healing experience to have—a break from being in the body.
Me: Oh yeah. Does only a part of the soul leave the body?
Jamie: The image he shows me is almost like a double. Like if you were sleeping on your back, there would be double of you sleeping just a few inches above it.
Me: Oh, okay!
Jamie: Like double vision in a way.
Me: Hmm, cool.
Jamie: And what’s interesting is he shows me as the person moves on the bed, then the sol body moves above it. So it’s still mimicking how the body’s reacting, but it’s a sense of freedom.
Me: Under what circumstances do they project part or all of their consciousness into the afterlife? Do they ever do that? Or do they every project their consciousness into other dimensions of any sort?
Erik: Let me finish, Mom.
Me: Oops, okay. My bad.
Jamie and Erik both laugh.
Erik: When they’re asleep like that, what we can do is download information.
Me: Oh, okay.
Erik: Yeah, we can get up next to them; we can heal their energetic body; we can put more information in it, like upload stuff, uh; we can alter a lot of shit in a positive way.
Erik: But we can’t screw around in a negative way.
Me: Okay, that’s comforting.
Erik: Yeah, it’s just not possible. That couldn’t happen if the being had negative intent. No one can fuck you up like that while you’re asleep.
Erik: Call it a safety mechanism.
Me: Oh, okay.
Erik: But if that soul was “conscious awake” and out of the body, then that body can project into Heaven, the afterlife—whatever you wanna call it—across space and time.
Me: Uh huh.
Erik: Hell, there can be full-on conversational lessons, uh, you know, teachings. I’ve done a little bit of that, but not a lot.
Jamie (laughing): He—you still find that funny, Erik?—he still finds it funny when people come out of or wake up physically in their bodies like coming out of an out of body experience, where they kinda jerk into it.
Me: Yeah, some call it a crash landing.
Jamie: Yeah, he still thinks that’s funny.
Me: Well, can a human being, the consciousness, leave and help others, uh, you know, the other way around from what you’ve said?
Erik: Yes! Humans can willingly kinda sit back or lay down and leave their bodies—
Me: Uh huh.
Erik: –I have seen—
Jamie: Erik, use different terms so I know what you mean, like just to clarify “alive” or “dead.”
(Pause as she listens to Erik)
Jamie (insistently): Use alive or dead!
Jamie: Oh, okay. So he’s saying he has seen an alive person leave their body and help somebody who has just died–
Me: Oh, okay! Wow!
Jamie: –so a “dead soul.” And the “alive soul” is escorting the “dead soul” to Heaven, to Home.
Me: Um hm.
Erik: There are “alive” people on Earth who are just like the messengers. They do the work of escorting.
Me: How fascinating. Do they have any other roles in that regard?
Me: Like, do they ever just go visit another, uh, like a deceased relative or anything? I mean, well of course I know they do that in lucid dreams, that’s right.
Erik: They can, but an alive person can completely be invoked without “knowing.” They could be—You had this, Mom. You had this! You’re completely awake and doing some routine thing like washing the dishes and all of a sudden you feel really, really tired.
Erik: And you’re just so tired, you have to lie down. It’s like there’s no two ways about it, you’re gonna to go to sleep. You just don’t know if you’re gonna sleep on the floor, the couch or the bed. So you go for it, and you lie down. Those intense moments of needing to sleep—
Erik: We call it “sleep,” because that’s how it feels to us; that’s what our parents have said, like, “Oh, we have this feeling, and it’s called “sleepy,” but that’s not always the case. Sometimes it’s just feeling the need to leave the body so you can go escort or help someone else.
Erik: I mean, it could be cuz it’s the connection of a soul friend, a soul family, or somebody you promised or—you had made an agreement with them that you would be there to help them cross over.
Me: So interesting! So are lucid dreams ones where we actually wake up while asleep in the other dimension, or—wait, I’m reading this reader’s question, and I’m not sure I understand the wording.
Jamie (laughing): He says he understands it. He understands all the questions you’re gonna ask the second you put them on the list.
Erik: Yes. Mom, that’s like if, um, okay, you’re asleep.
Erik: Your soul is out of the body.
Erik: And, it starts to have an experience, and it becomes an awake consciousness link to your brain and your body. So the physical body is in the same dream state as the soul body. That’s lucid dreaming.
Jamie: I like how he separates the two like that. He says the physical body ad the soul body in the same state awake.
Me: Oh, I see!
Jamie: Well, while in the same dream state.
Me: As one reader says, “This actually puts a totally spin on which is the true reality—here or the afterlife. Do we wake up our soul to be in the afterlife, or do we wake up our bodies to be in the physical life? Maybe death is our soul waking up from a bad dream.”
Erik (laughing): Bingo!